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Was Tasha Yar (as a character) basically irrelevant because of Worf?

Lance

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On a recent rewatch of TNG season one, it suddenly occured to me just how sidelined the character of Tasha Yar was. And to notice just how meteoric was the rise of Michael Dorn's character Worf, from effectively being just a cool looking background guy who was intended to only be in a handful of episodes, to being effectively one of the top tier characters by the end of the first season.

But the most interesting thing is how his character's increasing prominence effectively neuters Tasha as a character. It's as if the writing team came the conclusion after the first four or five episodes that with Worf on board, Yar didn't actually have a dramatic purpose. There are a number of episodes where this becomes very obvious. In "Hide and Q", for example, the arrival of Q on the bridge sees Worf's warrior instincts taking over, as he jumps over the horseshoe rail and levels his phaser immediately. By contrast, Tasha -- the supposed security chief aboard the Enterprise, let us not forget -- takes a good ten seconds longer to react to the intruder, eventually unholstering her own weapon and meekly wandering into the background of the shot to offer Worf back-up. Likewise later in the episode, where Worf is given a superb little scene where he takes on seven of Q's vicious animal things single-handedly, while Tasha (whose role, on paper, should have seen her doing more of that kind of thing) is relegated to sitting around crying on the bridge of the Enterprise, ignored and forgotten.

Those are only two examples that come to mind, but there are many others. I know Crosby had a bit of a beef about her character apparently not being given as prominent a role as she expected -- perhaps a touch of the prima donna coming out in the actress, or perhaps a wholely justified reaction to Worf's character increasingly being written into the scripts in roles that by rights should have probably belonged to Tasha.

So what do you think? Do you reckon that the series simply could never have sustained both characters for a long period of time, no matter how hard the writing team tried? It always seemed to me that Worf's very presence alone was enough to make Tasha, as a character, irrelevant.
 
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I think it's a little "chicken and the egg" when it comes to these two. I personally think Worf got the room to become such a well developed character because Yar left and not necessarily that Yar left because Worf was being developed. Crosby left because she didn't think the show was going to last and didn't see that there was room for her anyway. She was right about the latter because instead of replacing her they brought the backgroundish junior officer Worf to the forefront.

I'm also thinking that her death was already decided by the time Heart of Glory (the first episode that was Worf-centric) was written as it was only 3 episodes before Skin of Evil. Her death happens in the 4th to the last episode of the 1st season which means my guess is that she probably went to the producers sometime after the originaly order of 13 episodes and told them to write her out. As a result her character got even less development the second half of the first season leading up to Skin of Evil because why spend the effort on someone you're going to kill off?
 
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I think it's analogous to the X-Men when they brought in the new team of Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Thunderbird, and Wolverine. There wasn't really a lot of difference between Thunderbird and Wolvie, especially personality-wise, plus Wolverine had those freaky claws, so guess who now has to die horribly for the sake of the team? It ain't the Canuck with the muttonchops.
 
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I guess what I meant in the OP is that it's hard to imagine how the series might have developed in seasons two, three etc with both characters still remaining in it. During season one it sometimes feels as if one character almost seems to cancel the other one out. Even Tasha herself acknowledges in "Skin Of Evil" that both characters effectively share the same background story (although Worf's background story diverged considerably from hers in the years after that episode was shot).

On the other hand, "The Arsenal Of Freedom" is a great example of an episode where both Worf and Tasha can co-exist in the same script. It's an episode where Yar gets to do all of the stuff that the series bible says is her job -- it's a very "action heavy" episode, where Tasha gets to do a lot of running around and shooting stuff with her phaser, while Worf gets to do some emoting at the tactical station on the bridge. Seperated from one another, the characters work dynamically. But when they are together, especially on the bridge or in some kind of battle situation, there always seemed to be this implicit feeling that one or the other of them is a bit redundant.
 
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With a bit of creativity, that in self might have been a source of drama: the two could have fought for job opportunities. Tasha was Chief of Security; Worf could have been Chief of Tactical (we never really learned otherwise), and the two posts would have carried a formal division of labor, but both would still have been constantly stepping on each other's toes.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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I agree with the OP how Yar never really had any scenes where her character could shine. In every scene she was in, they gave her terrible dialogue or just ridiculous things to do. The "Hide and Q" example was perfect. Why the hell did the writers put her on the bridge with Picard, crying and sulking in the beginning of season one? It's almost as if they were setting Yar up for failure right from the beginning and telling us how pointless this character was. I think that's what the OP was alluding to.
 
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I kind of agree here. Had Crosby stayed on, one of them would have been forced into the background anyway.
 
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And Worf being a Klingon only helped his case, so...
 
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I think they could have worked together as Lance said by dividing Security and Tactical with a bit of overlay between the two, or maybe having Tactical a division under Security.

During battle, Tasha could have been handling phasers, picking targets letting Picard know weapons status, and Worf the photons and shields and relaying their status. I, for one, never saw why 1 person handled both sets of weapons. Dividing them would have made "Fire all weapons" a better options as each could have picked a target area and fired.

Intruder alert would only have Tasha leaving weapons. When the bridge was boarded, like in The High Ground, you would have had 2 armed people ready to take on the boarders. Worf could have left to protect Picard (that could have been his assigned duty as well) leaving Tasha to handle the intruders.

There was plenty of room for both characters.
 
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I think they could have worked together as Lance said by dividing Security and Tactical with a bit of overlay between the two, or maybe having Tactical a division under Security.

During battle, Tasha could have been handling phasers, picking targets letting Picard know weapons status, and Worf the photons and shields and relaying their status. I, for one, never saw why 1 person handled both sets of weapons. Dividing them would have made "Fire all weapons" a better options as each could have picked a target area and fired.

Intruder alert would only have Tasha leaving weapons. When the bridge was boarded, like in The High Ground, you would have had 2 armed people ready to take on the boarders. Worf could have left to protect Picard (that could have been his assigned duty as well) leaving Tasha to handle the intruders.

There was plenty of room for both characters.


that sounds like a very awkward division of labor. Tactical and security were combined as the same officer in every other show. Dividing it on TNG and dividing who fires what would seem to be pretty contrived to me.
 
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Well we never really had a Security Chief/Tactical Chief on TOS, As the other shows followed TNG, it would be accurate to say they decided early on in TNG that it was better for one person to handle both. The other shows except DSN followed suit. Odo's role appeared to be tation seecurity only. Whilst the weapons in the early seasons where handled usually by O'Brien, Kira or Dax
 
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It could have been interesting to have Data try to sleep with Worf...

:lol:
 
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Tactical and security were combined as the same officer in every other show.
Tactical and Security were never combined in any other show but TNG (after Tasha Yar died in "Skin of Evil") and VOY (after apparently everybody but Tuvok died in "Caretaker"). And only on the hero ships of the respective shows.

Kirk had an explicit Security Chief who had nothing to do with Tactical or with firing the ship's guns - Commander Giotto was named in "Devil in the Dark", while other redshirts appeared in the job without being named. In contrast, Kirk's "Tactical people" beamed down with him to Cestus III in "Arena", and none of them wore red. (Didn't help with keeping them alive...)

DS9 had a division of labor as well: whenever there was a Security guy aboard the Defiant (Odo or Eddington), some other guy or gal (usually in red, such as Worf or Kira) was in charge of firing the guns.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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Tactical and security were combined as the same officer in every other show.
Tactical and Security were never combined in any other show but TNG (after Tasha Yar died in "Skin of Evil") and VOY (after apparently everybody but Tuvok died in "Caretaker"). And only on the hero ships of the respective shows.

Kirk had an explicit Security Chief who had nothing to do with Tactical or with firing the ship's guns - Commander Giotto was named in "Devil in the Dark", while other redshirts appeared in the job without being named. In contrast, Kirk's "Tactical people" beamed down with him to Cestus III in "Arena", and none of them wore red. (Didn't help with keeping them alive...)

DS9 had a division of labor as well: whenever there was a Security guy aboard the Defiant (Odo or Eddington), some other guy or gal (usually in red, such as Worf or Kira) was in charge of firing the guns.

Timo Saloniemi


I was counting TNG on-it's Worf for both on TNG, Tuvok for both on VOY, and Reed for both on ENT. Seems a trend to me. The only reason it's different on DS9 is because Odo isn't Starfleet and was already security chief before they got there.
 
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I suppose it's possible that the CO determines if there is a decision between Security and Tactical. Kirk may have wanted them separate while the others combined them. Janeway used what she had. Tuvok was most likely the only one skilled enough and trusted enough to handle both positions. And Sisko, having a station to maintain, it made sense to divide security and tactical.
 
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I suppose it's possible that the CO determines if there is a decision between Security and Tactical. Kirk may have wanted them separate while the others combined them. Janeway used what she had. Tuvok was most likely the only one skilled enough and trusted enough to handle both positions. And Sisko, having a station to maintain, it made sense to divide security and tactical.
Yea, DS9, being primarily Civilians, rather than Starfleet personnel, would've been very strange for the Tactical Officer to be Security Chief.
 
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It would be very strange in every case. The Security Chief needs to personally tackle issues such as onboard intruders, landing party safety, and investigation of a crime. All of this takes her or him away from the bridge, making her or him incapable of serving in a Tactical role in any way. It would be like combining the roles of an M2 Bradley's gunner and infantry squad leader. "Sorry, can't fire the gun now, must run to that ditch to fire my rifle at the enemy! Be back in a jiffy!"

Note that even in TNG, Picard is the only skipper known to have combined the Security and Tactical department heads in one, well, head. Captain Maxwell explicitly used O'Brien as his separate Tactical Officer; in absence of evidence, it's pretty safe to assume that every other skipper did the same, considering Starfleet quite clearly bothered to invent two separate titles for two separate jobs.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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It would be very strange in every case. The Security Chief needs to personally tackle issues such as onboard intruders, landing party safety, and investigation of a crime. All of this takes her or him away from the bridge, making her or him incapable of serving in a Tactical role in any way. It would be like combining the roles of an M2 Bradley's gunner and infantry squad leader. "Sorry, can't fire the gun now, must run to that ditch to fire my rifle at the enemy! Be back in a jiffy!"

Note that even in TNG, Picard is the only skipper known to have combined the Security and Tactical department heads in one, well, head. Captain Maxwell explicitly used O'Brien as his separate Tactical Officer; in absence of evidence, it's pretty safe to assume that every other skipper did the same, considering Starfleet quite clearly bothered to invent two separate titles for two separate jobs.

Timo Saloniemi

yeah, it's so "strange" that it's done in three out of the last four series.

And I don't think a security chief would be "personally" tackling all of those things, especially not an intruder. A security chief is usually a high-ranking officer, he'd have some security guards be taking care of that.
 
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yeah, it's so "strange" that it's done in three out of the last four series.
Not in ENT, where they didn't have anybody in the role of "Security Chief". Essentially, they were very insecure... Until they got some Marines onboard.

And even in the context of TNG, the combining was an exception to the rule presented in the show itself. Then again, everybody in the main cast was an exception of some sort from both the perceived norm and from common sense: the Counselor on the bridge; the Chief of Ops doing the Chief Science Officer's job; the CO and XO who refused to be promoted; the helmsguy who left the helm at critical moments because the rotating Chief Engineer happened to be rotated offboard or something; and his replacement, the Helm Officer who wasn't even from Starfleet. I'd dismiss Picard's ship in any consideration of Starfleet norms and practices, except perhaps as an example that there were no norms and practices when it came to Galaxy class ships.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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It would be very strange in every case. The Security Chief needs to personally tackle issues such as onboard intruders, landing party safety, and investigation of a crime. All of this takes her or him away from the bridge, making her or him incapable of serving in a Tactical role in any way. It would be like combining the roles of an M2 Bradley's gunner and infantry squad leader. "Sorry, can't fire the gun now, must run to that ditch to fire my rifle at the enemy! Be back in a jiffy!"

Note that even in TNG, Picard is the only skipper known to have combined the Security and Tactical department heads in one, well, head. Captain Maxwell explicitly used O'Brien as his separate Tactical Officer; in absence of evidence, it's pretty safe to assume that every other skipper did the same, considering Starfleet quite clearly bothered to invent two separate titles for two separate jobs.

Timo Saloniemi

yeah, it's so "strange" that it's done in three out of the last four series.

And I don't think a security chief would be "personally" tackling all of those things, especially not an intruder. A security chief is usually a high-ranking officer, he'd have some security guards be taking care of that.

Except that whenever there is a security breech and a team boards the ship, the Tactical officer must leave his post and go handle another problem. The second Tactical officer must then take the post leaving the ship for a second or more, dodging or taking fire rather than firing. To quote Tasha,

...at least with someone at Tactical, they will have a chance to defend themselves well. It may be a matter of seconds or minutes, but those could be the minutes that change history.
A security Chief should be the one leading the "troops" to fight the invader(s), while the Tactical Officer keeps firing weapons.

I'd like to also reiterate what has been said before, Janeway may have had no choice but to combine Security with Tactical, there may not have been an officer with Tuvok's experience in both areas to split the positions.

In Enterprise, once the MACOs, came aboard one of them should have had become Security Chief.

Before someone brings it up, Data may have been both the Operations Officer and Chief Science Officer (I don't know if that was ever established, but it seems a reasonable assumption) but his unique abilities allowed him to preform both positions better than two separate people.

If you accept my interpretation, only TNG combined the two positions, mostly likely at captains prerogative.

A quick side note, in All Good Things... when Picard, out of habit, told Worf to handle security issues and Tasha reminded the captain that was her job, an easy out for him would have been to tell Tasha that right now he needs an XO, so until Riker is aboard she now holds that position.
 
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