Was riker forced into watching the theme song every time he fired up the holoprogram in TATV?
Was riker forced
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No. Even we weren't forced, there's fast-forward or mute buttons to push.
I have a feeling they would have courtmartialed who ever made the holoprogram if the opening music was forced on the user.
God I can see it now, admiral McCoy goes to play it, and gets that music, and next thing you know,,, some junior grade officer is sent to rura penthe to mine dilithium for the Klingons.
God I can see it now, admiral McCoy goes to play it, and gets that music, and next thing you know,,, some junior grade officer is sent to rura penthe to mine dilithium for the Klingons.
His copy of Enterprise allowed him to switch out the ballad rock version of the theme for a smooth jazz version.
I can second that.
I totally "third" that! There were too many plotholes (even more than the usual) for me to believe it was part of the same series.
I maintain that It was primarily fiction created by Barclay.
I'm definitely in the minority, here, as having quite enjoyed These Are The Voyages. Jonathan Frakes can feel however he wants to about it, but I thought the episode was solid and entertaining. Having said that, I do NOT care for Trip's needless & unnecessary death OR how his relationship with T'Pol was all but discarded.
I can only imagine that 'they' didn't want to make the episode about those two, by having T'Pol lose her cool over the death of her husband, or wherever they would've otherwise taken that. As it was, with their relationship having been broomed years and years ago, she could handle Trip's demise with the appropriate coolness asked for of a Vulcan. Aside from those very specific points, it was sweet to see Riker & Troi onboard the "D" and reminding us all that STAR TREK is really one ... one franchise ... one saga. Yeah ... they did alright.
I can only imagine that 'they' didn't want to make the episode about those two, by having T'Pol lose her cool over the death of her husband, or wherever they would've otherwise taken that. As it was, with their relationship having been broomed years and years ago, she could handle Trip's demise with the appropriate coolness asked for of a Vulcan. Aside from those very specific points, it was sweet to see Riker & Troi onboard the "D" and reminding us all that STAR TREK is really one ... one franchise ... one saga. Yeah ... they did alright.
That makes sense. If they had been together when Trip died, her grief would (rightly) have overwhelmed the episode. But OTOH that might have helped justify what as it is seems a rather badly mishandled death.
I don't mind the instrumental version that plays at the end of each episode but the version from the opening credits sounds like a Christian Rock ballad. It made the series seem dated even more than the recycled storylines.
I see this episode as a last desperate attempt to tie Enterprise into the expanded Star Trek universe by having it set during a Next Generation episode. It was an epic fail on every level.
I see this episode as a last desperate attempt to tie Enterprise into the expanded Star Trek universe by having it set during a Next Generation episode. It was an epic fail on every level.
What should've happened was that they left the door open for even the slimmest possibility that Trip could come back, if, indeed, he had to die at all. For example, as in STAR TREK: Nemesis, if Trip found himself on another ship that was about to explode or he had to cause it to do so, that combined with the holodeck retelling could be useful enough to open the door to Trip's comeback in some other way. Perhaps a STAR TREK miniseries, or an ENTERPRISE special of some kind. But when he's burnt to a crisp and dies during a CAT scan, it's like ... how can you put a spin on it?
Had he been blown to atoms in space, the episode could've contained T'Pol's grief to manageable levels, as there was no body and no-one (in the audience who) watched him suffer. Trip & T'Pol's relationship could've been $aved, his fate is uncertain and they could've even had T'Pol find out she was pregnant to suggest that his 'spirit' could still live on, somehow. None of what I'm suggesting is novel in any way, it's just to say that it wouldn't have killed them to handle Trip's death in a way that wasn't so final, even if the 'demand' for it within the story made it necessary. Trip's death is the atrocity of TATV and I feel, without it, -ENT- fans would've had a much higher tolerance and appreciation of the show. Truth be told, if they'd fried Phlox, instead, this episode would've been my most favourite .... ever!
The way I rationalize Trip's death is that TATV was only a possible future, caused by the interference of Future Guy during the Temporal Cold War. In the prime timeline, it never happened.
I think TATV would have sucked without Trip's death, just not as badly. There still would have been the issue of sidelining the main characters for Riker and Troi. Most of the ENT people were sooooooo OOC (especially Trip and Shran). And they ignored what happened in previous episodes, most notably when Archer lectures T'Pol on how she never trusted Andorians. I wonder how you can say it was a solid episode when they changed who the characters were to make the plot work (or not).
Also,
the argument that being together with Trip would have made T'Pol's grief overwhelming doesn't hold water when you look at Star Wars. Leia had reconciled with Han before he died but she didn't lose her cool even when she felt it through the Force.
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T'Arwen, you bring up some very good points, actually. And I will do my best to answer them ...
First, I really hate to bring this up, because I do understand what you're getting at, but
But yes, as a stand-alone episode, T'Pol could've been shown to be properly Vulcan, in a way she hadn't been before. Other characters break character in TATV, the same could've been done with T'Pol, but again ... she's a young woman in a TV episode and her (current, in this argument) boyfriend burns to death on the same ship she's on. She simply can't be expected to be a sage, old general. So, yes ... T'Pol's coping with this trauma would've overtaxed the episode, when what's really shown to be at stake, here, is Riker's decision regarding Pegasus.
TATV is a solid episode, in that it's straightforward, for one thing. Troi suggests Riker find diversion in a specific holodeck story to help put him at ease with the decision he knows he is going to have to make. The holodeck story is secondary to that, of course, but it, too, is straightforward. A kidnapping leads to the death of a main character. In between, there's adventure and drama and comedic moments and it all ties together in a neat bow at the end.
Yes, characters are required to respond in ways we know they wouldn't, at times, during the course of the story, but this is by no means new to STAR TREK. Very successful movies and TV shows within the franchise have done exactly that with their characters. I'm not dismissive of the fact that it takes some of the fun out of it, when you're a fan, but none of this adversely affected the events within TATV. It had a beginning, a middle and an end and it was interesting to watch.
First, I really hate to bring this up, because I do understand what you're getting at, but
the Leia angle can't and doesn't apply, here. It's like comparing T'Pol to T'Lar and they're both the same species in the same franchise, without having any other similarities, at all. Leia's just a tough, old bird in TFA, having had a life and a half. By the time we catch up with her, she's about had enough of all of that. T'Pol, on the other hand is still young, beautiful and her emotions, quasi-suppressed though they may be, are very near the surface. I would argue that T'Pol's more in touch with her feelings than Leia is. Much more so.
But yes, as a stand-alone episode, T'Pol could've been shown to be properly Vulcan, in a way she hadn't been before. Other characters break character in TATV, the same could've been done with T'Pol, but again ... she's a young woman in a TV episode and her (current, in this argument) boyfriend burns to death on the same ship she's on. She simply can't be expected to be a sage, old general. So, yes ... T'Pol's coping with this trauma would've overtaxed the episode, when what's really shown to be at stake, here, is Riker's decision regarding Pegasus.
TATV is a solid episode, in that it's straightforward, for one thing. Troi suggests Riker find diversion in a specific holodeck story to help put him at ease with the decision he knows he is going to have to make. The holodeck story is secondary to that, of course, but it, too, is straightforward. A kidnapping leads to the death of a main character. In between, there's adventure and drama and comedic moments and it all ties together in a neat bow at the end.
Yes, characters are required to respond in ways we know they wouldn't, at times, during the course of the story, but this is by no means new to STAR TREK. Very successful movies and TV shows within the franchise have done exactly that with their characters. I'm not dismissive of the fact that it takes some of the fun out of it, when you're a fan, but none of this adversely affected the events within TATV. It had a beginning, a middle and an end and it was interesting to watch.
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