Was Picard Wesley's real father?
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Of course it would've been a big change, finding out that everything he'd believed about his family history was wrong!
I think this is ultimately the truth. While there were definitely hints towards it (especially in Seasons One and Two), I just can't imagine Picard as the sort of guy who'd do this. Even in his tempetuous youth, he never slept with one of his best friends, Martia, despite having definite feelings for her (one of the big divergences presented in "Tapestry" is of Picard deciding to travel the path not taken and choosing to sleep with her when the opportunity arises, discovering afterwards that it destroyed their friendship and that he was right the first time when he had honorably avoided persuing a relationship with her). The reality is that Picard *is* an honorable person, and sleeping with Beverly behind Jack's back, as deliciously salacious as I think that idea is, just isn't something I can see as being 'in character' for him.
Well said, both of you. It would've been totally out of character.
Well, that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
TMI!
Obviously, he's not meant to be but it would've made for an interesting twist and it wouldn't have necessarily had to be the result of an affair. What if she and Picard had had a tryst, they broke up and she married Jack, had Wesley and they raised Wesley as their own.......until Jack died (sort of the Indiana Jones 4 model). Nothing particularly scandalous about that, right?
^ "Conspiracy" establishes that Jack and Beverly knew each other before they met Picard.
I don't know...when I first was watching the show, it seemed like something was implied regarding Picard and Dr. Crusher, and her brilliant son, Wesley.
Well, that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Like the drink from Forcas III...
...where in the HELL did I put my Binaca...???
Unless he eats a lot of pineappleWell, that leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
On topic though: I find it doubtful. Picard is too honourable to boff his best friends wife, let alone sire a child with her. I do think the Jason Vigo story should've had him be Picard's son--though I suspect that need to have everything reset back to normal for the next episode prevented that from happening.
But they weren't necessarily seeing each other at the time. Or am I misremembering.
I agree with the OP that they were hinting, possibly unintentionally, at Picard being Wes' dad in s1. Or maybe I'm just connected random dots to get to that point. Sadly, the "hints" die down as the series progresses.
In at least two episodes (The High Ground IIRC and Attached), Beverly and JLP get captured together. Just as it looks like they are to be killed, Beverly says to him in a very serious tone, "Jean-Luc, I have sometjhing to tell you..." Something happens to interrupt her and her secret is not revealed. It was at those points that she might have been about to tell him that Wes was his son. As for Jean-Luc's virtue, he admits in Tapestry that while in the Academy, he was a purile adolescent. Could he and Bev gotten together? Sure.
No, but the point is, Picard couldn't have had a relationship with Beverly before she met Jack, because as Picard says (to Walker Keel), "You know damn well I hadn't met Beverly then. YOU introduced them!" Because Beverly met Jack first and then Picard.
Exactly. I'm in full agreement. I really want this to be true just to spice things up a bit. Sadly, I think that ship sailed in the episode where Wes got the holo-message from his dad. Either that or Bev is really committed to this lie.
Doesn't Baldness come from the Mothers side of the gene pool?
The hereditary factor is slightly more dominant on the woman's side, but research suggests that men who have a bald father are more likely to develop male pattern baldness than those who don't.
I'm disturbed to say that this makes a lot of sense.
That used to be the belief for many years (decades?), but recent research has suggested otherwise.
Holy shit...I might add this to my personal canon.
But if it's true, how did Jack manage to get himself killed?
This thread is disturbingly amusing. 
I can easily imagine a scene in some parody of TNG which goes like this: (if only it were filmed)
Wesley interferes during the Dominion War with some pacifistic agenda, unaware of his naivety in doing so, and is then captured by Picard and loses his hand in a swordfight...
Picard: Wesley, I have something to tell you, you arrogant boy.
Wesley: I don't care what it is! Aghhhhhh! I'll never join you or the Federation! I know I already did, but never again!
Picard: If only you knew the power of the bald side!
Wesley: Huh? What the hell?!?
Picard: Your mother never told you what happened to your real father...
Wesley: What has that got to do with anything?!!? And for your info she did, old man! She told me you brought his body back after he died, and it was your fault!
Picard: No...I'm afraid I and your mother were and are closer than you'd ever want to think. I am your father.
Wesley: What!???!? It's...not true, you evil baldy! That's impossible!
Picard: Search your mother's old, very personal and private *nudge nudge wink wink* photo collection, and you will know it to be true!
Wesley: Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Ok, enough of that. Lol but seriously, that would have been hilarious.
In actuality, while the series does confirm that Jack is Wesley's father (due to the hologram Wesley watches in Season 4), that's not to say it's impossible for Picard and Crusher to have had an affair. Perhaps they did, even if Picard didn't father Wesley (which I'm almost certain he didn't). Again, though, if were are to believe the conversation in "Attached" (which I'm inclined to as it seems very heartfelt), then Picard is indeed an honourable man who, by the time he met Jack and Beverly, was out of that 'crazy period' from his youth.
I also find the idea that Jack is a manifestation of the energy being from Sub-Rosa to be both disturbing, creepy and darkly funny. Where did this idea come from? It'd be interesting to discuss, but where is the evidence? If the 'ghost' was still on the colony with Beverly's grandmother, how could it have also been a 'manifestation' of Jack?
I can easily imagine a scene in some parody of TNG which goes like this: (if only it were filmed)
Wesley interferes during the Dominion War with some pacifistic agenda, unaware of his naivety in doing so, and is then captured by Picard and loses his hand in a swordfight...
Picard: Wesley, I have something to tell you, you arrogant boy.
Wesley: I don't care what it is! Aghhhhhh! I'll never join you or the Federation! I know I already did, but never again!
Picard: If only you knew the power of the bald side!
Wesley: Huh? What the hell?!?
Picard: Your mother never told you what happened to your real father...
Wesley: What has that got to do with anything?!!? And for your info she did, old man! She told me you brought his body back after he died, and it was your fault!
Picard: No...I'm afraid I and your mother were and are closer than you'd ever want to think. I am your father.
Wesley: What!???!? It's...not true, you evil baldy! That's impossible!
Picard: Search your mother's old, very personal and private *nudge nudge wink wink* photo collection, and you will know it to be true!
Wesley: Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!
Ok, enough of that. Lol but seriously, that would have been hilarious.
In actuality, while the series does confirm that Jack is Wesley's father (due to the hologram Wesley watches in Season 4), that's not to say it's impossible for Picard and Crusher to have had an affair. Perhaps they did, even if Picard didn't father Wesley (which I'm almost certain he didn't). Again, though, if were are to believe the conversation in "Attached" (which I'm inclined to as it seems very heartfelt), then Picard is indeed an honourable man who, by the time he met Jack and Beverly, was out of that 'crazy period' from his youth.
I also find the idea that Jack is a manifestation of the energy being from Sub-Rosa to be both disturbing, creepy and darkly funny. Where did this idea come from? It'd be interesting to discuss, but where is the evidence? If the 'ghost' was still on the colony with Beverly's grandmother, how could it have also been a 'manifestation' of Jack?
