Re: Was "Masterpiece Society" anti-abortion? And did Trek push politic
True. But UFP-wide laws would be fairly irrelevant here if they cannot keep Vulcans from slaying each other in ritual combat, or Ardanans from using each other for forced labor, or Trills from possessing sentient humanoids for life. If such fairly clear-cut moral issues (from the human POV at least) do not enjoy a UFP-wide consensus, it would be completely unrealistic for us to expect a common moral stance or a set of rights to exist on the issue of abortion.
To be sure, Starfleet members are rarely cast in the villain role. Civilians tend to commit the offenses and suffer the consequences.
Yes: our heroes, who are in the business of mercy killings and clone abortions and sterilizing of entire worlds, perform the role of law enforcement. All the more proof that the law they may be enforcing is way too flexible or impotent to deal with the issue of abortion. When our heroes enforce order, they are guided by their conscience, and thus do not react identically to each other, or identically from situation to situation.
Such as running hospitals, holding cells, penal colonies, planetwide communications and power systems, urban transporters and weather control nets? It seems Starfleet is an umbrella organization that does everything on Earth, just like it does everything out in deep space.
A police force run by the military is a fairly standard solution here on the real Earth; some nations do that exclusively, while others like France and Italy have competing law enforcement agencies in addition.
What claims? All I said (through an example) was that different Starfleet officers could hold differing views on things. I don't need "evidence" to "prove" that, even though there seems to be plenty of that if one bothers to watch the shows.
As for the lawlessness of the society, I think T'Girl's model is how the UFP must work: different legal treatment for different people, optimized for things ranging from racial identity to personal quirks. On the federal level, there's probably just coordination of some sort for the various species-specific legal systems: there would have to be human rights, Vulcan rights, human-Vulcan hybrid rights, human-Vulcan-reborn-hybrid rights, human-Vulcan-reborn-hybrid-out-of-time rights, and an overworked clerk or a full bureau somewhere keeping tabs on the current legal status of Mr. Spock...
Villain.net probably has a file on LaForge, because every one of his captors knows how to push his buttons. Soran got him all excited about this "Dontcha hate to be... different?" thing, too. It's a valid maneuver for putting LaForge off balance and making it easier to further manipulate him.
Timo Saloniemi
True. But UFP-wide laws would be fairly irrelevant here if they cannot keep Vulcans from slaying each other in ritual combat, or Ardanans from using each other for forced labor, or Trills from possessing sentient humanoids for life. If such fairly clear-cut moral issues (from the human POV at least) do not enjoy a UFP-wide consensus, it would be completely unrealistic for us to expect a common moral stance or a set of rights to exist on the issue of abortion.
To be sure, Starfleet members are rarely cast in the villain role. Civilians tend to commit the offenses and suffer the consequences.
Yes: our heroes, who are in the business of mercy killings and clone abortions and sterilizing of entire worlds, perform the role of law enforcement. All the more proof that the law they may be enforcing is way too flexible or impotent to deal with the issue of abortion. When our heroes enforce order, they are guided by their conscience, and thus do not react identically to each other, or identically from situation to situation.
Such as running hospitals, holding cells, penal colonies, planetwide communications and power systems, urban transporters and weather control nets? It seems Starfleet is an umbrella organization that does everything on Earth, just like it does everything out in deep space.
A police force run by the military is a fairly standard solution here on the real Earth; some nations do that exclusively, while others like France and Italy have competing law enforcement agencies in addition.
What claims? All I said (through an example) was that different Starfleet officers could hold differing views on things. I don't need "evidence" to "prove" that, even though there seems to be plenty of that if one bothers to watch the shows.
As for the lawlessness of the society, I think T'Girl's model is how the UFP must work: different legal treatment for different people, optimized for things ranging from racial identity to personal quirks. On the federal level, there's probably just coordination of some sort for the various species-specific legal systems: there would have to be human rights, Vulcan rights, human-Vulcan hybrid rights, human-Vulcan-reborn-hybrid rights, human-Vulcan-reborn-hybrid-out-of-time rights, and an overworked clerk or a full bureau somewhere keeping tabs on the current legal status of Mr. Spock...
Villain.net probably has a file on LaForge, because every one of his captors knows how to push his buttons. Soran got him all excited about this "Dontcha hate to be... different?" thing, too. It's a valid maneuver for putting LaForge off balance and making it easier to further manipulate him.
Timo Saloniemi
