Was Lt. Carey screwed over in Voyager?

[hux]

These people murdered aliens on a daily basis. To believe that they joined Voyager then just became much nicer people is hard to swallow. Either their scumbag nature continues or they're all having guilt-ridden breakdowns.

We should have had at least one update on the Equinox five.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Notable Moments in Equinox 5 History.

Barge of the Dead: "Why can't you put us into a stasis coma too?"

Riddles "Hey! I'm qualified to do Tuvoks job now that he's been mindwiped. ME! Give me his damn job!"

The Voyager Conspiracy "We were there being raped by Caretaker 6 months before you, why didn't we get an honorable mention in the Borgette's batshit plot to steal Caretaker tech? Equinox 5 lives matter!"

Pathfinder: Barclay goes to a (like AA, little folding chairs and bad coffee) support group for fans of missing star ships, and has a nerd off with a couple Equinox Groupies, who are unaware of what really happened.

Virtuoso: "I've been left chained to a radiator more than once this month, but you let the ####ing Hologram leave, but HE'S The SLAVE??? HE IS THE SLAVE!!!! #### You Kathy! If you're going to own slaves Kathryn, don't puss out like that. Own it."

Memorial: "Just briefly you were all massive #####s too, responsible for a genocide! You were just like us! Sure it was only two days and it turned out to be false recall, but where the #### was our damn pardon? Or why didn't any of you get your rank stripped for being murderous dicks? You're not better than me! None of you are better than me! Go to hell! Go to hell all of you! Sanctimonious twits. Especially you Kim. You're the worst."

Fairhaven "We don't have holodeck privileges. So stop making ####ing announcements on the PA system to the crew about how everyone but us is welcome to have full time Fairhaven adventures you smug ####."

Repression: "What do you mean half the crew are terrorists responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of people. PEOPLE! Real people not Space Dolphins who're the intellectual equals of peanuts I assure you. We murdered a bunch of animals. Terrorism and killing PEOPLE is way worse than Animal cruelty! If this serial killer doesn't end all these TERRORISTS, I think I'll do it myself."

Nightingale "Hey Kim you goober, Seven is not the only person with no rank you can push around while pretending to be important, or course two thirds of the crew are enlisted personnel who you also outrank, but if you're really only after people literally without rank, well buddy that's us, c'mon, help a brother out, we want an away mission!??! I am so booooored!!"

Shattered "So there's an opportunity to rewrite time at a point to unkill all the space dolphins we juiced, but you couldn't be bothered? Doesn't that mean that you also killed "our" space dolphins too, and you should be stripped of rank as well?"

Workforce: "Um, this again, we're mindwiped every other fricking week, right? the workforce factory ain't the best but we'd rather live different lives than know what we did to those space dolphins and be continually judged and prosecuted by you ####s for events that were almost nearly beyond our control. Somebody rebrainwash us lickity split and take us back to that factory. We're good. #### off Kathy."

Endgame: "Did Janeway just collapse 15 years of good history where the Borg didn't murder everyone? #### this. I'm going to room to bang my head against the wall until I forget the definition of hypocrisy."

 

[stardream]

Part of me imagines them giving an evil laugh over Paris' time in the brig but then I think that it might be in character for him to be the one person who might be halfway 'nice' to them. It would of course depend on what mood the writers were in that day.

 

[Who1]

Here's what you're forgetting.

Season one and two of DS9... Just Like TNG and Voyager.

Sure there was "the dominion is coming" mentioned in a couple season 2 episodes, and Odo in every fricking episode as a precursor for the arrival of his people whoever they turned out to be... Parallel to impossibly early season one, an asshole Shapesifter showed up in the novels. His origins were left vague, but if no one forbid that from happening, then they had no idea about the Dominion a few weeks out from Emissary.

But when they were designing Voyager to be just like another TNG, DS9 wasn't inspiringly different, urging baby Voyager to be something better for a smarter more hip audience... It was just another Baldwin brother from the Baldwin brothers cookie cutter.

I would point out that DS9 season 2 started out like no other Trek series had, with a three episode arc furthering the political storylines seeded in the series premiere. Voyager's half-hearted Michael Jonas storyarc doesn't compete with that and early TNG was entirely episodic apart from a couple hints about the Borg and the "Conspiracy" aliens. DS9 was digging into the soil early on and had already established Garak, Dukat, Nog, Rom, Bariel, Winn and Zek as recurring characters. Voyager had killed or ignored its (smaller) initial recurring cast by season 3 and TNG had nothing close to a recurring guest cast its first year apart from Q and little beyond Q, Guinan and Pulaski in its second.

 

[Vandervecken]

Until she got super powers and now it was her that could protect him and suddenly he was just a pet rodent.

Whaddya mean "suddenly"?

 

[MacLeod]

I would point out that DS9 season 2 started out like no other Trek series had, with a three episode arc furthering the political storylines seeded in the series premiere. Voyager's half-hearted Michael Jonas storyarc doesn't compete with that and early TNG was entirely episodic apart from a couple hints about the Borg and the "Conspiracy" aliens. DS9 was digging into the soil early on and had already established Garak, Dukat, Nog, Rom, Bariel, Winn and Zek as recurring characters. Voyager had killed or ignored its (smaller) initial recurring cast by season 3 and TNG had nothing close to a recurring guest cast its first year apart from Q and little beyond Q, Guinan and Pulaski in its second.

Don't forget about O'Brien, who made a couple of apperances in S1 before making even more in S2.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's nice to continue hiring the same crew to work on your set.

It takes some pure assholery to tell almost every one they hired who was on set more than one week, or three at the most to #### off and never come back.

It's almost like some pervert needed a constant steam of fresh young actors to be on set and then gone.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Hi guys,

Two remarks:

1) If you're interested in some of the background stories, read the DISTANT SHORES anthology. Marikah Willkarah, Lessing, Seska all appear in the stories. There's even one with the alien that posed as Janeway's father in CODA.

2) I remember reading somewhere that Josh Clark (sp.?) wanted too much money. That's why Carey didn't become a recurring character after Season 1 - although he would have been according to the producers' original intentions. I don't know if it's true but I remember reading this somewhere (a long time ago).

Of course, why they had to kill off Suder, I can't comprehend. Hoggan, too, would've been interesting.

If I could change something about Voyager, I'd start off with a smaller number of main characters. On a (presumably long) journey like this, it's just natural that new people will join the crew. Neelix could've joined them in Season 2, Kes in Season 3, Seven in Season 4. Also, the girl from FUTURE'S END could have joined them. And of course, it would have been nice to see other people recurring as well ... like the Maquis crew from LEARNING CURVE.

 

[Kinggodzillak]

JANEWAY: "Chakotay, I've been going through the crew's personal messages that Starfleet relayed to us, because I'm the goddamn Captain and can do whatever I want, but I think they've made a mistake - who's this Ensign Carebear we keep getting letters for?"

CHAKOTAY: "It's Carey, Captain, Lieutenant Carey."

JANEWAY: "Right, right - who is he?"

CHAKOTAY: "Surely you remember - curly-haired guy engineer guy? He was quite prominent in the first few months after we got stuck out here."

JANEWAY: "I barely remember what happened last week, never mind six years ago. Remind me."

CHAKOTAY: "Well, he stopped a warp core breach the Caretaker caused, saving the entire ship and everyone on it, and you rewarded him by screwing him out of the Chief Engineer's job and giving it to B'Elanna. After she'd broken his nose."

JANEWAY: (laughs) "Yeah, that sounds like something I'd do. Wish I could remember it. So what happened to him?"

CHAKOTAY: (thinks) "If I remember correctly, we confined him to quarters during that whole business with Seska defecting to the Kazon, just in case he was the spy."

JANEWAY: "Wise precaution. Did we ever let him out again?"

CHAKOTAY: *thinks for a long time, then shrugs*

JANEWAY: "Oh well. Wait til an incredibly dangerous mission comes up, then phaser the lock off his door and tell him we're sending him to Disneyland or something..."

 

[Catarina]

I could smell that red shirt (shit) mission a mile away. I was disappointed to be right. poor Carey. no one with a ree sound at the end of their name has it good on Voyager. 'harry', 'carey' the unrewarded in SF.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I have a theory that the character of Seska stole all his lines in the first 7 episodes after the pilot, when she was retroactively mashed into totally finished stories.