Was Janeway written in as being Incompetent ?

[DumbDumb2007]

Was Captain Janeway written as being slightky incompetent ? I recall the Doctor saying in his log when he thought he was going to "Die' that he thought someof her Command orders were questionable.
In accordance with the Prime Directive she should have let the Ocampa fend for themselves so they can evolve and survive on their own.
She shiould have let Species near annilate the Borg and then let the Borg have their help after they were nearky completly Destroyed.
She should have seized a Borg Transwarp coil from the rebel Borg in the 7th season openerr to get them partly if not all the way home. I know it was a show set wit ha starship set far from home but it should have been handled better.
In the 2nd season there was an episode with an alien species that had the ability to transport Voyager Thousands of Lightyears closer to home. They had their own Prime Directive to deal with. She should have stolen the technology with the justification that that race could be a potential threat to the Federation's Security.
She also did make a few other grand Bloopers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

This is actually about 12 different posts mushed into one question.

But you seem to be arguing that this ninny become a thug. She studied the Starfleet Charter for hours in Void trying to find a loophole that would permit her to be complete bastard but couldn't... Even though Tuvok and Chakotay were all but insisting they begin. eating the crews of the other ships

Kathy had her moments.

 

[KiraDax]

She wasn't written as being incompetent. She was written as being insane.

 

[RainCrystal]

DumbDumb2007 said:
Was Captain Janeway written as being slightky incompetent ? I recall the Doctor saying in his log when he thought he was going to "Die' that he thought someof her Command orders were questionable.
In accordance with the Prime Directive she should have let the Ocampa fend for themselves so they can evolve and survive on their own.
She shiould have let Species near annilate the Borg and then let the Borg have their help after they were nearky completly Destroyed.
She should have seized a Borg Transwarp coil from the rebel Borg in the 7th season openerr to get them partly if not all the way home. I know it was a show set wit ha starship set far from home but it should have been handled better.
In the 2nd season there was an episode with an alien species that had the ability to transport Voyager Thousands of Lightyears closer to home. They had their own Prime Directive to deal with. She should have stolen the technology with the justification that that race could be a potential threat to the Federation's Security.
She also did make a few other grand Bloopers.

Janeway seemed like a tough girl trying a new motorbike for the first time at the beginning. Later on as her character developed she became artistic and more open minded. Then halfway through the series, after she started wearing short hair, Janeway altered her personality a bit. She seemed more severe and harsh in her diplomacy and quite scary on some moments.

I think what you're asking is basically telling us what you would have done in her shoes?

The Ocampa... none of them knew that this species were capable of superpowers and could've destroyed their world. It was assumed it was them. Some posters pointed that out to be before and I never saw it that way. So I would've destroyed the Array to protect a vulnerable people from a species like the Kazon scavengers if I was simply flung there far away in the Delta quadrant.

I wouldn't have allied with the Borg. I would've seen that other species from fluid space as a threat only to the Borg and let them fight. I agree with Chackotay when he said "let them fight it out." He pointed out that Janeway's decision was wrong.

In Season 2 (or was it season 1) I would've asked permission to use that technology to send me to that planet with the 2 suns and euphoric dawn breeze just like Harry Kim's experience. I would've respected the people's own decision not to share technology with others as they're only proteting themselves from hostile species.

 

[AuntKate]

KiraDax said:
She wasn't written as being incompetent. She was written as being insane.

You know, these kind of generalized barbs seem designed to ruffle the feathers of those posters who enjoy Voyager and think Janeway was a fine captain in the "Kirk" tradition.

Rather than respond in kind, KiraDax, I prefer to think (hope?) that you momentarily strayed from your BBS "home" and, having had your chuckles, are on your way back.

 

[KiraDax]

It wasn't intended as a barb, actually. I was going to say she was written as 'bipolar', but I suspected someone diagnosed with that mental illness might take offense.

However, since one sentence diagnoses aren't welcome-Janeway wasn't incompetent. In fact, she was more competent than most of her crew and many of her fellow Captains. However, she was seriously flawed in areas involving logic and consistency. Obviously, it wasn't her fault. She didn't ask to be written that way. Blame the writers for going overboard with the feminine sensitivity/irrationality bit they apparently thought needed to go along with her being the franchise's first female Captain.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but thinking Janeway makes the flowers bloom isn't anywhere on the TOS you agree to when registering. I do like her, but I call em as I see em too.

 

[AuntKate]

She was written with flaws. So what? Does that make her a terrible character or just human? I hear people complain about Star Trek characters being too goody-goody or Boy Scouts in space, and, yet, when we are given a flawed captain, we blame it on her gender and think it is a bad quality. I love the flaws in her character, and I enjoy seeing her make mistakes now and then. Nobody's perfect, and I suspect that if she'd been written that way, the complaints would have been even louder--and still blamed on her gender.

I'm just saying quickie comments like yours are basically cheap shots that stopped being funny about twelve or thirteen years ago.

 

[KiraDax]

Well, I apologize if it offended you.

I agree with you insofar as appreciating some flaws in a character, and some of Janeway's actually did make me like her more than I would have had she been perfect.

BUT...being able to point out those flaws and discuss them (especially in terms of how they were written, not acted) isn't necessarily a bad thing in my eyes.

And again, it really wasn't intended as a cheap shot. I'm just a blunt person, and text doesn't translate emotion.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kirk was a kissing-slut(Ally McBealism.)... Janeway missed her dogs.

It was the ocampa who were wronged. If they had been allowed to "salvage" the Array which Janeway said they were allowed to do if she was allowed to use it to get home first, then they might have become a little more civilized if they were no longer utterly dependent on factional warfare and trade. it also would have allowed them to grow up just enough for another empire to see them as a threat to their concerns.

The Prime Directive is there to protect it's people from unforeseen consequences of choices that are too volatile to be taken lightly by individuals and the entire federation. Janeway didn't know who would eventually gain control of the array for good or bad... Since obviously if the Ocampa were taken as a slave race they would be the the one holding the Kazon by the leash with in a solar year.

Old.

Janeway was insane. Simple as that. Maybe she had medicine she took sometimes, but that girl had problems.

 

[The Lady Eve]

*yawn*

 

[Is It Over Yet?]

Remember back to the Season 5 opener "Night?" Remember how torn she was about stranding her crew in the DQ? It seemed to me that after this episode is when Janeway decided "Screw it, I'm getting my crew home." After this some of her decisions got a little funky.

 

[Guy Gardener]

That was the episode which showed she became insular and depressed without some sort of active agent to destractively throw herself up against every week.

Another month in the Night void with nothing to keep her entertained and thinking about anything else rather than how she did this to all these people and there would have been a suicide attempt in an ice cold bath tub.

 

[RoJoHen]

While I don't necessarily think she's bipolar, she did often run on instinct and emotion rather than reason.

"I don't respond well to threats."

 

[Guy Gardener]

That sounds like an easy way to manipulate the lady. I mean if you want her to do something, then threaten her to do the opposite.

 

[RoJoHen]

I'm pretty sure she'd just blow you up and then do whatever she damn well pleases.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Sounds like my last girlfriend.

What i didn't like is that the only time she wasn't incredibley trusting was when she met the Vadwaar. Them she kept at arms length for some UNKNOWN reason and got prepared to kick them in the nuts at the first sign of trechery... i mean until Chokotay spiked the broth, she was perfectly willing to go along with the Borg, and even almost signed an armistice with Seka and Kulla...

Her womans intuition is something to be marveled over.

 

[RoJoHen]

Perhaps she's menopausal?

 

[Guy Gardener]

She had babies in the second season, and she was just pushing 40 when the ship got lost... besides after Raising Seven. Would she want another kid to bring up of her own?

 

[RainCrystal]

She was still child-bearing when they got back home eventually but yes Guy Gardener is right that she had offspring albeit in weird circumstances. It seemed that everyone forgot about those babies.

I also think they should've regarded being trapped in the Delta Q as being an opportunity to explore unknown space instead of feeling like lost bunnies.

 

[Guy Gardener]

but she wasn't going to need her reproductive organs from that pregnancy if she hadn't chickened out.