Was blowing up Romulus a good idea?

[Unimatrix Q]

If you look at most different timelines/ quantum realities of Star Trek, you can get the feeling that the Romulans are heading for extinction or at least very difficult times:

Prime Timeline: Destruction of Romulus

All Good Things Timeline: Romulus conquered by the Klingons + Plague Outbreak

Kelvin Timeline: Possible Destruction by the Borg

It seems that in most timelines fate has an apocalyptic scenario for the Romulans in store. What could be in-universe reasons for this? Did they accidently piss off a Q or the Prophets?

Thoughts?

 

[Ithekro]

Did the Romulan Empress reject Q?

 

[The Old Mixer]

If you look at most different timelines/ quantum realities of Star Trek, you can get the feeling that the Romulans are heading for extinction or at least very difficult times:

Prime Timeline: Destruction of Romulus

All Good Things Timeline: Romulus conquered by the Klingons + Plague Outbreak

Kelvin Timeline: Possible Destruction by the Borg

It seems that in most timelines fate has an apocalyptic scenario for the Romulans in store. What could be in-universe reasons for this? Did they accidently piss off a Q or the Prophets?

Thoughts?

Since we've got an active threat focused on the destruction of Romulus, I've merged this into that one.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Did the Romulan Empress reject Q?

I don't think so, Q just said he could have chosen her instead of Janeway.

Kelvin Timeline: Possible Destruction by the Borg

Come again?

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I don't think so, Q just said he could have chosen her instead of Janeway.



Come again?

The Borg Ship in Star Trek - Boldly Go # 2 has set it's course on Romulus. It appears to me that the story is based partly on Maurice Hurley's original plans for the Borg in TNG, where a Borg Scout Ship destroyed Romulus...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I dearly hope we never see the Borg in any canon Kelvinverse production.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I dearly hope we never see the Borg in any canon Kelvinverse production.

IMO we haven't seen real Borg, as they should be ever since after BOBW. First Contact or Voyager Borg are nothing like the Borg as they should be. Why not use the original concept again?

I believe fan fatigue is only about what we got since First Contact or Voyager.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ The problem with using the Borg "as they should be" is that they would be invincible.

As watered down as the Borg have become, it's always been done for the necessity of the plot. You can't fight an enemy that literally cannot be stopped - the episode (or film) would be over within seconds!

 

[Unimatrix Q]

^ The problem with using the Borg "as they should be" is that they would be invincible.

As watered down as the Borg have become, it's always been done for the necessity of the plot. You can't fight an enemy that literally cannot be stopped - the episode (or film) would be over within seconds!

The Borg in this comic aren't FC/VOY Borg and that's why i believe they are going to Romulus for a snack instead of gobbling up Earth or another Federation Planet...

 

[N7operative84]

I don’t think destroying Romulus was a good idea. Abrams, Orci, and Kirkzman had no interest in expanding the Star Trek universe. Romulus’s destruction was for THEM, to get their own little Trek going. The new Trek is all about NOT bringing something new to the series, but like most reboots that disregard previous canon, but it used to exploit in a sense a past generation creativity and take advantage of long time fans with nostalgia. For me, the three newest “trek” films hasn’t done anything , but turn Trek into something generic , using Trek lore and using actors who look like the original cast trying to be hip and cool.

Here is the way I see it. The best example would be Star Trek : The Undiscovered Country. The destruction of the Klingon moon Paxaxis , not only lead to the maybe the best Star Trek film, but also connected two generations. We saw the seeds of peace in Undiscovered Country, that progressed the series as a whole.

If the destruction of Romulus (or Abrams Trek films) is ever acknowledged in a post Star Trek Nemesis Trek tv series, it would HUGE mistake. It only served Abrams, Orci, and Kirkzman , nothing and no one else. Why should future writers who get Star Trek, clean up the mess they made?

The Romulus have a interesting thing going. As I a mentioned in another thread. They are the major rival of the Federation left in the Alpha quadrant. I would like an idea of conflict between the Tal Shair, Romulus Military and the dissident movement. I want the Romulans to have future in Star Trek, but NOT the future of Abrams, Orci, and Kirkzman.

The Dominion War and the end of the Star Trek Nemesis brought Romulus somewhat out of the shadows for the future of the series. Romulus shouldn’t be destroyed, so we can see a progression for the Romulans.

Just my opinion.

 

[DonIago]

You're conflating the destruction of Romulus with the end of the Romulan people.

 

[Greg Cox]

Then again, it's perhaps worth noting that the Romulans only appeared twice on TOS (three times if you count "The Deadly Years" which wasn't really about them). So it's not like a Trek series can't get by without referencing them constantly . . ...

 

[Rahul]

The problem with Romulus blowing up was: It wasn't an event happening in a Trek story.
It was an event happening in an alternate future universe that never happened in the reboot movie it was depicted in.

There's a reason prime-Trek fans (in the long run) want a "post-Nemesis" series. And not a "post-alternate-timeline-future-of-Trek09"-series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You're conflating the destruction of Romulus with the end of the Romulan people.

Perhaps, but even if Romulan characters appear in post-2387 novels, they won't be able to say anything about what happened to their homeworld, and that's gonna be REAL awkward.

Nobody's saying this is the end of all Romulans, but the fact remains: the destruction of their homeworld is a massively important event (not just for their species but for major interstellar politics), and it can't simply be ignored.

Writers can't ignore the event, but at the same time can't reference the event. That is a classic catch-22 if there ever was one.

 

[Kemaiku]

The problem with Romulus blowing up was: It wasn't an event happening in a Trek story.

Romulus was destroyed in the Prime timeline, you're thinking of Vulcan, which was destroyed only in the Kelvin timeline.

 

[Tenacity]

Writers can't ignore the event, but at the same time can't reference the event. That is a classic catch-22 if there ever was one.

Debatably, the Empire could have survived the destruction of Romulas, so writers can still make reference to the Romulan Empire, and have interactions with Romulans and be threatened by the occasional Warbird.

Not mentioning Romulas really wouldn't be that ackward, and you could still have Romulans mention their Senate, just don't go out of your way to say where it is.

 

[Greg Cox]

Debatably, the Empire could have survived the destruction of Romulas, so writers can still make reference to the Romulan Empire, and have interactions with Romulans and be threatened by the occasional Warbird.

Not mentioning Romulas really wouldn't be that ackward, and you could still have Romulans mention their Senate, just don't go out of your way to say where it is.

Good point. How often did the previous shows and movies actually visit the planet anyway?

In the case of TOS, series and movies, the answer would be never. And for the latter-day series . . . you can probably count the instances on one hand.

You can still have Romulans. You just can't have Romulus.

 

[The Wormhole]

In the case of TOS, series and movies, the answer would be never. And for the latter-day series . . . you can probably count the instances on one hand.

One hand exactly. Romulus has been seen on-screen a total of five times in the Trek franchise:
TNG Unification
DS9 Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Nemesis
ENT Babel One/United/The Aenar
Trek XI

 

[Ithekro]

They could make mention of the new government. Visit the new capital planet, just never say Romulas was destroyed. It would probably not come up as it would be common knowledge for everyone in the series and a touchy subject to any Romulan.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Wouldn't any mentions of the "new" government, or capital, count as references to the destruction, since there'd be no need for new ones if the old ones were still there?