They'd already announced a different writing team for the next film, so that apparently wasn't dependent on success or failure.
Was Beyond considered a financial success?
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They'd already announced a different writing team for the next film, so that apparently wasn't dependent on success or failure.
"Was beyond considered a financial success"
I don't think so. Low ball expectations for this movie were $400 million. It's made less than both previous movies. It's not a bomb, and I hope we get another movie out of this crew. I expect that they'll take a different approach with any sequel.
I don't think so. Low ball expectations for this movie were $400 million. It's made less than both previous movies. It's not a bomb, and I hope we get another movie out of this crew. I expect that they'll take a different approach with any sequel.
Well let's put it this way.
Star Trek: Beyond made $338 million on a budget of $185 million.
Independence Day: Resurgence made $386 million on a budget of $165 million.
Warcraft made $433 million on a budget of $160 million.
Legend of Tarzan made $356 million on a budget of $180.
The three movies I listed after Star Trek: Beyond all made more money with a smaller budget than Beyond and yet those films are all considered bombs or disappointments.
Star Trek: Beyond made $338 million on a budget of $185 million.
Independence Day: Resurgence made $386 million on a budget of $165 million.
Warcraft made $433 million on a budget of $160 million.
Legend of Tarzan made $356 million on a budget of $180.
The three movies I listed after Star Trek: Beyond all made more money with a smaller budget than Beyond and yet those films are all considered bombs or disappointments.
That's not exactly true.
Independence Day barely cracked $100 million domestically. Just over a quarter of its Box office was from North America while 20% was from China. It's a disappointment because of it's low domestic performance (the original was one of the biggest domestic blockbusters of all time) but it still fared well overseas. My guess is that a huge marketing budget will hurt it's chances of ever breaking even more than anything else.
Warcraft did even worse with barely 10% of its overall BO coming from NA and over half its revenue coming from China. That is simply too little in available secondary revenue to recoup back a relatively large budget from.
Legend of Tarzan did much better than expected. It is neither it a bomb nor a disappointment. It overperformed by a pretty wide margin on what people predicted prior to release and has a good chance to end up making money when all is said and done (depending on ancillaries).
Beyond is in a very unusual position because it's not a bomb but wasn't a huge hit, but still did ok box office. The real problem for Beyond was its budget was just too damn high. Had it been somewhere around $160 it would have at least broken even and made a small profit from the box office. It did nearly $160 million in the domestic box office which show that the audience for Trek is still there but Paramount is going to have to slash the budget for the next film to ensure a higher chance of profit.
Actually Moore and Braga were not asked to do Insurrection. After the success of First Contact, Paramount asked Moore and Braga to write the second Mission Impossible movie. Berman decided on Michael Piller as sort of a peace offering after Piller was basically forced of of Voyager due to behind the scenes conflicts between him and Jeri Taylor.
Actually Moore and Braga were not asked to do Insurrection. After the success of First Contact, Paramount asked Moore and Braga to write the second Mission Impossible movie. Berman decided on Michael Piller as sort of a peace offering after Piller was basically forced of of Voyager due to behind the scenes conflicts between him and Jeri Taylor.
$160 is cutting it a little too close for my liking!
http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm
Mission: Impossible II was released almost two years after Insurrection, so they probably could have fit both projects into their resumé if they wanted.
$160 is cutting it a little too close for my liking!
http://www.lcarscom.net/rdm1000118.htm
Mission: Impossible II was released almost two years after Insurrection, so they probably could have fit both projects into their resumé if they wanted.
I stand corrected re: Moore and Braga
. I got my information from the Insurrection blu-ray which stated that Moore and and Braga had been offered Mission Impossible II very shortly after FC came out and given the demands of that and their work on DS9 and VOY Berman offered the movie to Piller. BTW MI: II had a crappy production and ultimately most of Moore and Braga's script was rewritten by another writer. As for Beyond's budget, it was supposed to be lower than STID and closer to ST09 which was $150. Appearntly the higher budget was partly a result of Orci's script being in active pre-production when Paramount scrapped it and because the actors' original contracts had expired and they all got pay raises to be in the film.
Sheesh, they really put that $150 to good use. I can barely afford to buy TNG on Blu-ray for that price!
Sheesh, they really put that $150 to good use. I can barely afford to buy TNG on Blu-ray for that price!
I forgot to add a few zeros on that
I certainly hope Paramount gives this movie series one more chance, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
Although in 2016 that's not been so unusual.
2016 summer box office was soft towards sequels and reboots, but unexpectedly strong for animated (minus Ice Age) and family oriented films.
As has been stated before, Beyond's major problem was it's overly high budget. Take for example Jason Bourne which only outperformed Beyond by about $4.5 million in domestic box office but due to the fact it's budget was only $120 million it's considered a success.
Anything could happen but my hunch is that there will be another Kelvin movie albeit a lower costing one. They should look at the past because the best Trek movies tended to be lower budgeted movies like Trek II, VI and even FC had a modest budget. One of the things Beyond did great was focus on the characters and the next movie could build on that even more if the budget is lower and less ability for long FX sequences.
they gave the series another chance after the disappointing ST V: The Final Frontier. Although, granted, the movie industry is quite different now than it was in 1989
The box office total is the dollar amount for ticket sales at the cinema.
The figure is before the cinema takes their cut, other overheads, and the studio gets to keep what's left.
Thus, it's called the gross and is the only certainty in the movie business.
Net profit is pure fantasy.
Interestingly enough there are a number of parallels that happened between Trek V and Trek VI that are happening with Beyond. Trek V while not a bomb but did the lowest box office of the franchise and just barely broke even. At the time Paramount was facing financial problems following a string of expensive box office failures. Star Trek remained one of its few big tent pole movie franchises so they knew they didn't want to end making Trek films. There was some talk about doing a reboot of the TOS crew what would feature younger actors and focus on Kirk, Spock and McCoy during their Academy days. Allegedly Gene Roddenberry protested the move and was supported by then Paramount head, Martin Davis who was a fan of the original Trek and could see that with the 25th Anniversary coming up it made more sense to use the marketing potential to do one last TOS movie. VI was give a green light but could not cost a penny more than V which was about $30 million USD.
According to one chart I have seen, the movie is a bomb. It is listed with Ben Hur, The BFG, Alice Through the Looking Glass, Kubo and the Two Strings, War Dogs, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Pete's Dragon, Ghostbusters, and Popstar: Never Stop.
If the $185 million budget includes what they spent in pre-production for Orci's script (that they axed AFTER a fair amount was spent of set design and location scouting); that may help the decision to continue and produce abnd release the film that was announced.
But, we'll see.
How are War Dogs and Pete's Dragon considered bombs? Both are above the multiplier (2.0) that is considered the rough break even point for a film.
I get the term being applied to Ben Hur (1.0), Kubo (1.1), BFG (1.3), Alice and TMNT2 (1.8), etc, but do people just throw the term "bomb" around because it is handy or do they actually have a "definition" of the term they follow?
