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Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

Ok...let me be a Trek fan and rationalize the irrational:


Maggie wants Jesus in because he helped bring her to power

I am also thinking they might not be aware of Jesus' non killing stance. He brought a gun to the battle right? And has one while scavenging?

From a long distance he can fire without killing.

While can be direct...he might be playing them...and while he personally does not kill...he seems ok with others doing so
 
^ Haha, sorry it wasn't so much a full fledge theory as it was an offhand comment observation:

I hope it's an act on Jesus' part. He said "yeah" in response to Maggie's verbal manifesto with a surprisingly high level of enthusiasm, almost predatory. I felt like we were watching a mirror universe Jesus, TBH.

As @Morpheus 02 was being a Star Trek fan about rationalizing, I'll go ahead and be a Discovery fan and say that all signs point to TWD Mirror Universe crossover! TWD MU is the I am Legend timeline where the infected are the regular people and the humans are the evil ones.
 
I'm not sure what to make of the mutiny scenario, other than it seems like a plan to kill Negan rather than actually take control from Rick. I hope that is not something that is dragged out next season. It was also a surprise to see Jesus with Maggie and Daryl--who both have legitimate reasons to be pissed off. I wasn't really sure what Jesus' motivation was.

Could it be that, instead of don't ever kill anybody ever period, Jesus's personal philosophy is more along the lines of: don't kill the innocent?

...but the people he protected from Morgan were Saviors, so what's his excuse in that case? I do sort of suspect Jesus will act as a mole in Maggie's cabal until he thinks the situation is spiraling out of control, then turn on Maggie.
 
I still kind of enjoy this show, but can it please end? It's certainly losing it's iconic show status as it keeps going on and on.
 
What I meant was that they, those prisoners, weren't the leaders of the Saviors.

Ah. Understood.

I still kind of enjoy this show, but can it please end? It's certainly losing it's iconic show status as it keeps going on and on.

AMC might stand for A Money Concern channel, so TWD is not going anywhere soon. The series still has strong plotlines, but it needs to stop the rinse and repeat of villain comes, and villain goes template, and get back to the survival horror of the dead, and trying to do something about stopping that population from growing beyond bullets, arrows and other pointy objects.
 
Hated the finale (still got to catch up on the ep before it), but damn... wish that Rick would have finished Negan off. I'm with Daryl and co. on this one. He has to go. That said, I hate the whole Maggie and co. bit being evil. Hell no. The show has jumped the shark for me now. Especially with Carl harping on people getting along and Rick being self-righteous and all that. Granted that's usually him, but they've taken it to a new level and it's getting annoying.
 
It was a "war" by name only. Most of the battle episodes was them wasting bullets shooting at each other for the whole episode and hitting nothing. Apparently the writers think that was good enough to satisfy the audience. I'm sure glad the war is behind them now.
 
It was a "war" by name only. Most of the battle episodes was them wasting bullets shooting at each other for the whole episode and hitting nothing.
That's kinda like real war, actually.

Most people have the general accuracy of a Star Wars storm trooper with firearms, particularly when they're firing at full auto and when they're being shot at, too.

95% of the time it's duck and cover and the rest of the 5% is spray and pray. It's good to me when an army of our "heroes" doesn't go off acting all Audie Murphy. That would be patently dumb.

Jus' sayin'... :shrug:
 
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I have seen all of The Walking Dead and was wondering If Fear the Walking dead is wort checking out. So much stuff on It is hard to see it all. Although just Binged Lost in Space and thought it was great.
 
My wife and I are binge watching it now. It's very different, and several of the characters are really bloody annoying, particularly Travis and his snowflake sociopath son Chris (GOD how I hate those two little twats!). I initially didn't like Nick at all - maybe he played the junkie way too well - but he's grown immensely, sometimes he's the only adult talking in the room, amusingly, and one of my favorite characters to watch. He's fully accepted the new normal and he seems to be thriving in it as a result. His mom's okay - I liked the actress from Deadwood (Kim Dickens), so I give her a pass for some of the overbearing mom shtick she often espouses. Many of the characters, in their own way, act like nothing's happened, still sticking to the old ways and old habits they embraced when society was still present. Very few have accepted reality the way it's become.

I do find it somewhat perplexing that the US would completely crumble in almost every conceivable way - the government, military structure, literally everything without a trace and all cities carpet-bombed (as seen in both shows), but Mexico seems to be respectably populated by the living with colonies and gangs running around with guns terrorizing people and quite nearly business as usual before the fall. Granted, we're only about 2/3 of the way through season 2 and there's much more to come, but things just seem a little off. Maybe it's because in TWD, the story starts when Rick wakes up from his coma and things have been destroyed for a while by that point and Fear shows everything that happened during the fall, I don't know. If Fear lasts as long as the first show, maybe it will get there too.

Despite the fact that TWD has lost a lot of its interest and Fear was not as good as the original in many ways, we'll still watch it to the end. "Sunk cost" and all that... :lol:
 
Just watched the finale. A ho-hum end to a ho-hum season. I was pleasantly surprised by Eugene's double-cross of the Saviors. Didn't quite see that coming. Not sure how Carl's vision of the future will play out, ultimately.

One thing puzzles me: what's with the helicopter? Was there any mention of it (or whomever was piloting it) earlier in the season? I didn't see every episode. Presumably this is a tease for the next season. I hope they don't face yet another "evil group" with an advantage. No repeats of the last 8 seasons. Let's see something new -- maybe it's a covert government / research group that is actually solving the Zombie crisis.
 
The helicopter is somehow tied to Jadis and The Scavengers. At one point in the season Simon asks Jadis what's the deal with her group, and the helicopter landing pad in The Heaps; and later (after all of The Scavengers minus Jadis have been killed by a Rogue Simon) Jadis has captured Negan (intending to kill him, thinking he was behind the slaughter of her people) and intends to kill him and escape via a helicopter she's (somehow) summoned or expects. She misses the chance to leave on the helicopter as she's hiding when it arrives and isn't able to signal it with a flare, the helicopter departs and it'd seem that was her only chance as this seems to defeat her and we see her joining the group at the end of the season.

So, we don't get a lot on the helicopter other than it's tied to The Scavengers in some way, it's debatable we'll see/hear anything more about it in the next season especially if there's any meaningful time jump. (Which there needs to be, in 3 seasons only a couple months have passed.)
 
I have a theory on Jesus going to the darkside. What if he is doing this because he thinks RIck shouldn't lead but he wants to be able to be involved so Maggie or anyone else doesn't cross a line and kill him? He wants to play peacemaker to a peaceful transition of power.

Jason
 
I have a theory on Jesus going to the darkside. What if he is doing this because he thinks RIck shouldn't lead but he wants to be able to be involved so Maggie or anyone else doesn't cross a line and kill him? He wants to play peacemaker to a peaceful transition of power.

Jason

Good theory. Unless the showrunners are going to paint Jesus as having some hidden personality leading to his support of Maggie (which would be silly), I see him trying to be the "safety" on the gun of Maggie's plans. I've said it before, but Maggie turning on Rick and Michonne places her in a position I cannot see her turning around. She's so far removed from the beliefs of Hershel and Beth (dishonoring / trashing their legacies), that she's almost a completely different character from the one seen in seasons 2-5. Maggie being killed (perhaps taking comic book Rosita's place) or leaving would be a logical outcome.
 
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