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Spoilers Walking Dead Season 8 discussion and spoilers.

Yeah... a little disappointing in some aspects.

So how do people feel about Eugene now? He has bounced back and forth . WHere is he now?

Glad Jerry is still alive....hopefully next season QUEEN CAROL!
 
I liked it, and I see how it feels like an "end" to the last 8 seasons, interesting to see how it segues into the next "chapter" of things.

Eugene's "double-cross" with the bullets was kind of a neat surprise. Okay, Eugene, you're back in my good-graces. Well played.

Not sure on what to make of the Maggie/Darryl mutiny especially if we're looking at a meaningful time-jump between seasons to a point where likely everyone would be on the same page and along with Rick on his sparring Negan and putting him in the cell. Glad to see Jadis will likely still be around to. (I like her, okay?!)

Also a nice surprise with Oceanside coming in with Aaron to help out.

I watched the first segment(s) of FTWD with Morgan and... I dunno, the timeline still is odd to me, though I don't know where FTWD is or how much it'd be impacted by nearly a 3-year time-jump, but it was interesting to get the montage of sorts of Morgan's travels and the cameos of Jesus, Carol and Rick at the beginning pestering Morgan. Heh.

So, a good finale for what for me was largely a fairly luke-warm B-Season. The War is over, now we can move on and see what is next.

(Another "problem" I see with a meaningful time-jump is losing some development with [The Commonwealth] unless we get some kind montaged sequence of events at the start of next season as we see the communities rebuilt and and unified.)

So how do people feel about Eugene now? He has bounced back and forth . WHere is he now?
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I kind of wonder if some kind of sabotage or something was his plan all along and Eugene just didn't know how to go about it until he saw the mismounted blasting cap in the bullet Gabriel made. And he made dozens of these things, loaded them in guns and no one noticed the oddly placed cap? You'd think someone in the group would've looked at the clip or the chamber of their gun and seen it jutting out a bit and know that wasn't right. Eugene isn't the only gun expert left around.

But, fine, I'll wave my had and allow it, it was a pretty cool and surprising bit when it happened.

But it also sort of makes me think that Eugene entire "he's turned evil" act and everything was more for our benefit than anything else, to trick us. I mean, he'd have to be really on his game to keep up such an appearance and he never struck me as that good of a liar. (Yeah, he lied to Abraham and Rosita the entire time about having "the cure" or whatever, but it always seemed apparent he was lying or making it up as he went along.)

But, I'm okay with Eugene now since, apparently, his flip was all a ruse.
 
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I liked pretty much everything about the finale with the one exception of the Hilltop conspiracy scene. Yeah, Maggie feels betrayed by Rick and Daryl is an anarchist, so it makes sense in a way. But Jesus being on board? Never! He's always the voice of reason and Hilltop's conscience when all others are absent. Always making others try to find another way to preserve their humanity. There is literally NO WAY that Jesus would support a plot to overthrow Rick and Michonne. Total character assassination if that's the direction they're taking it. I agree that it's the beginning of the end. Huge strategic mistake by the show-runners.
 
Yeah was baffled by Jesus as well, unless he will be the one who will alert Rick to what is going on at the Hilltop. I am wondering if Dwight will find himself back at Alexandria, or if he will be gone for awhile.

Keeping Negan a prisoner is risky, just because he does seem to have the power of persuasion on his side. Not only that but keeping a prisoner alive requires resources, food, medical treatment etc. but I have a feeling Negan will be needed in the future, and most of his sins will be (mostly) absolved.
 
Trekker4747 said:
Not sure on what to make of the Maggie/Darryl mutiny especially if we're looking at a meaningful time-jump between seasons to a point where likely everyone would be on the same page and along with Rick on his sparring Negan and putting him in the cell.
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I see the mutiny as the beginning of the end for the series--or a major departure after the tension/double-dealing goes wrong. There's no way Maggie and Daryl can come back from plotting against Rick and Michonne. That would be the greatest breach of trust in series history.

Glad to see Jadis will likely still be around to. (I like her, okay?!)
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...but I wonder what kind of character she will be. It would be pointless for her to just become "happy resident", as that would make her blend into the background...and I hope the showrunners do not have her still interested in Rick.

But. there's still the matter of her associates with the helicopter. New civilization? New threat? Both?


I watched the first segment(s) of FTWD with Morgan and... I dunno, the timeline still is odd to me, though I don't know where FTWD is or how much it'd be impacted by nearly a 3-year time-jump, but it was interesting to get the montage of sorts of Morgan's travels and the cameos of Jesus, Carol and Rick at the beginning pestering Morgan. Heh.
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The FTWD characters should be in a more structured base of operations after 3 years, built trust amongst themselves (finally) and are not always plotting to kill their benefactors.

...and I'm hoping Daniel never returns to the series for some revenge plot against Strand.

But, I'm okay with Eugene now since, apparently, his flip was all a ruse.
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137th Gebirg said:
I liked pretty much everything about the finale with the one exception of the Hilltop conspiracy scene. Yeah, Maggie feels betrayed by Rick and Daryl is an anarchist, so it makes sense in a way. But Jesus being on board? Never! He's always the voice of reason and Hilltop's conscience when all others are absent.
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...yes it makes no sense for Jesus to be in on any mutiny that ends with Negan's death, especially after Jesus constantly tries to ease Morgan away from killing. He's putting his head on the chopping block.
 
Yeah, the stuff with Jesus I don't get, he has no reason to "want" Negan's death "so much," to the level Maggie and Daryl hate Negan for their own reasons. He nods along and doesn't try and talk them out of it the same way he was coaching Morgan to not kill surrendering Saviors. It just feels out of place.
 
It's possible that Jesus was exercising some discretion for the moment and will give RIck a heads-up about Maggie and Daryl next season.
 
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I hope it's an act on Jesus' part. He said "yeah" in response to Maggie's verbal manifesto with a surprisingly high level of enthusiasm, almost predatory. I felt like we were watching a mirror universe Jesus, TBH.
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Yeah the way Payne acted it, well it's fair to say there was an almost satanic glint in Jesus' eyes, which really didn't make any sense given what we know about the character.

The bullet trick was so damn fun to see that I don't care about the contrivances you'd need to make it work (what, none of those guys had an older bullet in the chamber?) As for when Eugene did it, he seemed to imply to Rosita that it was her chiding, before the vomit, that changed his mind. I kinda saw it coming, but only because it looked like Eugene might actually move to attack Negan when he thought he was going all Lucille on Father Gabriel.

Saving Negan...well it adds dramatic potential, and damn I could watch JDM all day, but there's no way he's going to stay locked up.

Ocean-siders coming to the rescue, yeah that was pretty predictable, but I like that they save the day re the main battle. I hope Dwight returns because I like the character, and frankly others have done bad things and been forgiven.

On the whole I liked it, no major deaths, and not everything was completely predictable. I still feel like the main cast needs a cull and it struck me how little we've seen of Jesus this season, but it'll be interesting to see where they go from here. Hopefully it'll be a radical change rather than a version of the last 8 seasons.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
It's possible that Jesus was exercising some discretion for the moment and will give RIck a heads-up about Maggie and Daryl next season.
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137th Gebirg said:
I hope it's an act on Jesus' part. He said "yeah" in response to Maggie's verbal manifesto with a surprisingly high level of enthusiasm, almost predatory. I felt like we were watching a mirror universe Jesus, TBH.
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I suppose it could be an "act" and he'll give Rick a head's up, but even that seems out of place as in the past he had little to no problem confronting people, even Maggie, on such aggressive behavior when it's uncalled for; though maybe in Maggie's case he's letting her "vent" knowing her personal grudge against Negan.

It's further possible Jesus has his own personal, strong, grudge against Negan we're not yet aware of. (Perhaps Negan killed Jesus's boyfriend or close relative.)

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The Eugene thing just requires a lot to work. He had a group of people making the bullets so, what, did he say "Yeah, that whole thing with Gabriel not putting the blasting cap in right? Forget that, totally do it that way!" No one had an older bullet? Did Eugene personally load all of the guns placing the compromised bullet lined up first (whether in a revolver or a magazine.) No one loaded their own gun, had knowledge about guns, and noticed the compromised bullet? Too much has to go "right" for it to work but, seeing it happen was satisfying and kind-of cool, so I'll allow it. But, man, do I have questions.
 
^ Based on what I know about bullets and firearms in general, having WAY TOO MUCH powder is the primary way to achieve the depicted results (the second way is to have a barrel obstruction). The projectile would have (probably) still left the muzzle though. Too large of bullet wouldn't have worked; the round wouldn't have chambered.
 
I guess it didn't have to be blasting cap/primer. I may have taken him too literally when he said Gabriel's sabotage "inspired" him, he could've gone a different route in sabotaging the guns so that they'd "explode" but not eject the bullet.
 
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^ Based on what I know about bullets and firearms in general, having WAY TOO MUCH powder is the primary way to achieve the depicted results (the second way is to have a barrel obstruction). The projectile would have (probably) still left the muzzle though. Too large of bullet wouldn't have worked; the round wouldn't have chambered.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.. EUgene said that Gabriel's efforts were OBVIOUS. He thought of a way to make it NOT obvious.

None of his workers seemed to know the difference, and his explanation why they changed the powder would've been so convoluted they wouldn't know the difference. And after demonstrating the good bullets with Negan, he would have went along with whatever Eugene said to do to set up the bullets
 
So, I didn't watch any of Season 8B, but decided to watch the last episode to see how they transition Morgan from TWD to FTWD. Goddamn, 8x16 was boring as FUCK! I don't know if the producers make a conscious effort, but the show is boring as shit compared to the comics. In fact, the comics play out pretty much like the show, but Negan gets a sucker punch or two on Rick, which leaves him needing a cane to walk (on top of his getting his hand cut off by the Governor). I'm also guessing their peering down on the walker horde is a reference to the Whisperers, but I'm not sticking around to see how bad they fuck up that story arc. I'm guessing there'll be a time jump, and they'll replace Carl's story arc with Judith falling in love with the Whisperer.

I also love how after the front half of season 8, they act like every bullet is a precious resource after firing bullets non-stop for three episodes.

Also, the end of the episode, with Daryl, Maggie and Jesus planning to betray Rick was fucking stupid. So, we're to assume that the same Jesus, who was arguing with Morgan that he didn't have to kill everybody he comes across, is pissed because Rick didn't kill Negan? :rolleyes:

I hate to see what kind of a shitshow Gimple is going to make Fear the Walking Dead into.
 
I've just watched all the episodes of the second half of the season back to back--and haven't read this thread since page 17--but I really enjoyed the second half of the season and it was nice to see what could have been a series finale, and a feel good one at that.

For a moment, I actually thought Rick had killed Negan. It was nice to see Eugene not end up on the side of the Saviors but, still, can he be trusted. It was also a nice surprise to see Oceanside step up, and that they were introduced to the series for a reason.

I'm not sure what to make of the mutiny scenario, other than it seems like a plan to kill Negan rather than actually take control from Rick. I hope that is not something that is dragged out next season. It was also a surprise to see Jesus with Maggie and Daryl--who both have legitimate reasons to be pissed off. I wasn't really sure what Jesus' motivation was.

On to The Whisperers I suppose.
 
Caught the finale but didn't watch any of the season. Was pleasantly/frustratingly and hilariously surprised that I didn't feel like I missed ANYTHING. I only knew that Carl had died through spoilers and that Rick had become a murdering asshole again, but everything else was easily inferred. I guess that shouldn't be a good thing, but at least it made it very easy to watch!

This felt pretty anticlimactic but I had a few thoughts. I'm sure I missed a lot of interesting build up for the Oceanside faction to ultimately decide to join the war. There must have been some intense episodes of character development that really, really solidified their choice to come in at the last possible second, at just the perfect time. Aaron must have had several scenes across many episodes which ultimately led to a hunger strike. I guess I must have missed some part about hunger or famine, because that seemed to be the tipping point for the Oceanside people to change their mind, right...? It all totally made sense...right? Why were those random windows conveniently on that tree for Rick to get a piece of glass? They might as well have hung those windows on a giant lampshade! That was just silly.

Also, Jesus seemed pretty adamant about Morgan not killing anymore. He seems like a real man of peace, you know...like Jesus? Was he really the best person to bring into Maggie's "Let's Kill Negan!" cabal? I agree with everyone who was saying this seems so out of character for him, but have we asked the question as to why Maggie would even think to bring him in on this conspiracy? Yeah, go for Darryl, he's hiding in the shadows and his hair is making him look pretty damn evil these days, but why even ask Jesus?

I'm honestly looking forward to next season, and will definitely tune in, just because this finale looked like it was washing its hands of the Negan war that was so boring that it made me quit the show for a whole season. I'm always excited for a new showrunner after the previous one had made a joke of the show (looking at you, Moffat).
 
Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs said:
Yeah, go for Darryl, he's hiding in the shadows and his hair is making him look pretty damn evil these days, but why even ask Jesus?
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Yep. This is the question that demands a good explanation.

Could it be that, instead of don't ever kill anybody ever period, Jesus's personal philosophy is more along the lines of: don't kill the innocent? And when it comes to Morgan, maybe he was just a) trying to keep it simple with his use one end for the living and the other for the dead advice, and b) trying to give Morgan some advice that would actually help him come back from the brink of insanity. Perhaps Jesus believes that a different standard applies to leaders than to their followers? :shrug:

Just spitballing.
 
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