Vulcanian/Vulcan
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This Side of Paradise.
In fact, Spock is called both Vulcanian and Vulcan within the same episode.
Farmhouse
ELIAS: You've known the Vulcanian?
LEILA: On Earth, six years ago.
ELIAS: Did you love him?
Transporter room
KIRK: Your father was a computer, like his son. An ambassador from a planet of traitors. A Vulcan never lived who had an ounce of integrity.
SPOCK: Captain, please don't
I love those Star Trek inconsistencies. As long as they're canon
This Side of Paradise.
In fact, Spock is called both Vulcanian and Vulcan within the same episode.
Farmhouse
ELIAS: You've known the Vulcanian?
LEILA: On Earth, six years ago.
ELIAS: Did you love him?
Transporter room
KIRK: Your father was a computer, like his son. An ambassador from a planet of traitors. A Vulcan never lived who had an ounce of integrity.
SPOCK: Captain, please don't
I love those Star Trek inconsistencies. As long as they're canon
I always assumed the two were perfectly interchangeable synonyms.
I'm rapidly losing cool points by responding to myself, however...
In The Menagerie Part 1, Kirk says:
Miss Piper, a Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. That goes for his present commander as well as his past.
I am certain that is the first time Spock is called a Vulcan. Pretty sure.
In The Menagerie Part 1, Kirk says:
Miss Piper, a Vulcan can no sooner be disloyal than he can exist without breathing. That goes for his present commander as well as his past.
I am certain that is the first time Spock is called a Vulcan. Pretty sure.
Wow. You're a real charmer. So the purpose of this thread was what, exactly? Virtual masturbation?
I love those Star Trek inconsistencies. As long as they're canon
yeah, no race has ever been called by more than one term. I was just remarking upon that to a Negro friend of mine the other day.
That ship has sailed.
Perhaps one is due to a poorer translation of the Vulcan term?
I wonder if "the Vulcan term" is a word that sounds a bit like "vulcan" or a word that means volcano even though it sounds something like "Krookhkz"...
Personally, I like to think that Vulcan is the planet, and Vulcania is the star empire - much like Talax is the central planet for the star empire of Talaxia, and Andor for the star empire of Andoria. Whether people choose to use one term or the other may reflect their political views, or may merely be a random choice. I'd guess most people would speak of the Vulcan species but of people of Vulcanian nationality, but apparently the latter term is not fashionable in post-TOS times.
Timo Saloniemi
Personally, I like to think that Vulcan is the planet, and Vulcania is the star empire - much like Talax is the central planet for the star empire of Talaxia, and Andor for the star empire of Andoria. Whether people choose to use one term or the other may reflect their political views, or may merely be a random choice. I'd guess most people would speak of the Vulcan species but of people of Vulcanian nationality, but apparently the latter term is not fashionable in post-TOS times.
Timo Saloniemi
Sorry, my bad. I appreciate the answers.
Wow. You're a real charmer. So the purpose of this thread was what, exactly? Virtual masturbation?
yeah, no race has ever been called by more than one term. I was just remarking upon that to a Negro friend of mine the other day.I love those Star Trek inconsistencies. As long as they're canon
That ship has sailed.
I would think they are interchangeable. Like Bajora or Bajorans, both were used to describe the inhabitants of the planet Bajor.
That particular one was resolved in an interesting way during the Gateways series: in that, the "Bajora" were originally a nation-state, the one responsible for uniting the entire planet, which then became "Bajor."
I believe I have also heard the phrase Vulcanoid.
I believe it was the episode when Dr.MCoy is checking out a crew memeber, and realizes he is a Romulan.
I believe it was the episode when Dr.MCoy is checking out a crew memeber, and realizes he is a Romulan.
For my own personal Trekinology, I just figured that the term "Vulcanian" specifically referred to a Vulcan/Human hybrid. Vulcan + Human = Vulcanan. Then they added the i to make it sound cooler.
Now I'm sure someone will let me know why this explaination won't work.
Now I'm sure someone will let me know why this explaination won't work.
Going by onscreen material, I'd say "Bajora" is merely the terrorist organization which rallies the Bajoran cause in "Ensign Ro". But the explanation offered in the novels is fine, too.
Oh, that's actually "traitors of Klin". "Klin" being for Klingons more or less what "mankind" or "manliness" is for humans. So their society is Klin ("mankind"), their homeworld is literally Klinzhai ("manhome") even though it has the proper name Qo'noS ("Earth"), they are the Klingon ("of the mankind") and they speak Klingonaase ("manliness expression tool", to paraphrase Marc Okrand!).
What the modern Universal Translator makes of those words is a different matter.
Timo Saloniemi
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