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Vulcan vs the other planet (spoilers)

Jimmy_C

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There are a lot of rumors that Vulcan is destroyed. This reminded me how Alderaan was destroyed in Star Wars. However, Alderaan was only said to be an important place. We never actually got to see the planet very long until the end of Episode III. There was never a real emotional connection beyond, "OMGZ They destroyed that cute chick's planet!" with the audience. I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea. There were a lot of implied repercussions due to the destruction, but none of them were explored very much in the sequels.

However, the audience DOES have an emotional attachment to Vulcan. Many stories in Star Trek involved Vulcan or its people and culture. It is an essential part of Star Trek's universe. The destruction of Vulcan impacts everyone - most importantly the viewer. It is similar to the aliens in Independence Day blowing up the White House, or even Spock's death in TWOK. Vulcan has an impact on the viewers that Alderaan never had.

So I believe that the destruction of Vulcan is a good thing. It can add an air of seriousness to the drama much like Spock's death or the attack on Earth in DS9. The novels have killed main characters and wiped out other notable planets in Star Trek's universe. It shakes things up. Who knows how the Federation will evolve without Vulcan! Will the same alliances be formed? How would the Romulans react? Would Starfleet be more or less multi-cultural? Would new member planets join as quickly? I think the chance of seeing new relationships with known species could be more interesting than forming new relationships with the "species of the week" like in the past. It shatters our expectations, and that's a good thing!!! :bolian:
 
There are a lot of rumors that Vulcan is destroyed.

Have we forgotten that Ambassador Spock is travelling back in time to undo Nero's meddling?

You're assuming the film will end in Spock's failure?

Since the destruction of the Kelvin takes place 20 years prior to Spock turning up resulting in an already vastly altered shitfest (unless Spock comes back with the Narada and just twiddles his aging thumbs for 20 fucking years) and Vulcan is shown exploding, with there being no sign of our universe being restored, Abrams is making this permanent, and thus having Spock fail and probably even dying.
 
there being no sign of our universe being restored, Abrams is making this permanent, and thus having Spock fail and probably even dying.

Having seen many episodes of "Lost" over recent years, I'd not put too much stock in the permanency of events in Abrams' storytelling style.
 
there being no sign of our universe being restored, Abrams is making this permanent, and thus having Spock fail and probably even dying.

Having seen many episodes of "Lost" over recent years, I'd not put too much stock in the permanency of events in Abrams' storytelling style.

I know, I'd love the time line to be set right a the end of this, Spock successful and the proper Enterprise back again. I just don't see Abrams doing that.
 
If "our" timeline was restored, it would prove my impression of Abrams being a shit storyteller.
 
If "our" timeline was restored, it would prove my impression of Abrams being a shit storyteller.

Oh I know, taking the franchise, changing the entire aesthetic for one story with the lamest plot just to change it all back again like nothing happened, just when you thought the space Nazi's couldn't be topped.
 
yeah, if Vulcan is destroyed, I'll be massively disappointed if it then gets reset at the end of the film.
 
there being no sign of our universe being restored, Abrams is making this permanent, and thus having Spock fail and probably even dying.

Having seen many episodes of "Lost" over recent years, I'd not put too much stock in the permanency of events in Abrams' storytelling style.

I know, I'd love the time line to be set right a the end of this, Spock successful and the proper Enterprise back again. I just don't see Abrams doing that.
What is with you? "the PROPER ENTERPRISE"?:wtf::wtf: Dude get over it already, this is a new TIMELINE, a new ENTERPRISE, And a new cast. As I said before, get over it! If your so upset about this not being the " PROPER " Star Trek then don't see it.
 
I agree with you SLAPPY.
It could be Romulus in flashback. Memories of Nero or old Spock.
How would they explain the Revenge of Nero?
 
Having seen many episodes of "Lost" over recent years, I'd not put too much stock in the permanency of events in Abrams' storytelling style.

I know, I'd love the time line to be set right a the end of this, Spock successful and the proper Enterprise back again. I just don't see Abrams doing that.
What is with you? "the PROPER ENTERPRISE"?:wtf::wtf: Dude get over it already, this is a new TIMELINE, a new ENTERPRISE, And a new cast. As I said before, get over it! If your so upset about this not being the " PROPER " Star Trek then don't see it.
Again, all opinions need not be challenged, and if they are challenged, the use of "What is with you?", "get over it" and overuse of ALL-CAPS for emphasis may be perceived as unnecessarily confrontational and a bit shouty.

Myself, I don't really want to see the "proper Enterprise back again" because I don't think it would serve this story well, but that's just my opinion, and I can allow room for someone else to have a different one. For that matter, I'm not convinced yet that this will be a wholly new timeline, either, but we will see.
 
there being no sign of our universe being restored, Abrams is making this permanent, and thus having Spock fail and probably even dying.

Having seen many episodes of "Lost" over recent years, I'd not put too much stock in the permanency of events in Abrams' storytelling style.

Given the rumors of all that gets blown up, I very much doubt the permanency of these events.
 
There are a lot of rumors that Vulcan is destroyed.

Have we forgotten that Ambassador Spock is travelling back in time to undo Nero's meddling?

You're assuming the film will end in Spock's failure?
Absolutely correct.

And it's no spoiler (since it's now available in a published "prequel comic") that, in Nero's "past" (post-TNG-era), Romulus is
destroyed. It's because of this that Nero sets off on his own mission... to save Romulus (in the past) while taking revenge on the Vulcans who COULD have saved Romulus but, in his eyes, simply chose not to).

I think that the "reset button" for this movie will end up being Kirk, Spock and Co (aboard the "Alt-Enterprise") taking an action in their timeline which will, in the future
, prevent the destruction of Romulus
.
 
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