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Vulcan society is really horrifying when you think about it

We saw this a-plenty in TOS, with the few Vulcans we actually saw besides Spock. Spock himself was the idealized Vulcan, although he was of mixed parentage. Thinking all Vulcans at that time were as noble as Spock is looking at the past through rose-tinted glasses.

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Exactly. Spock is admirable. That doesn't mean that Vulcans are always admirable.

The whole point of the Vulcans is that they are extremists, representing one end of the spectrum. It's not until Spock fully accepts his human side and emotions that he becomes whole.

The Vulcans were never meant to be role models. And, honestly, they've never been as logical and unemotional as they like to think they are.
 
Yep, believing that the Vulcans were as Spock presented them in the earliest episodes of TOS is a misreading of the series - at least, after Sturgeon came along to flesh them out. He recognized the one thing that is true of individuals and cultures, which is that whatever they insist that they are is an ideal - or to be harsher, a myth about themselves which is a consensual delusion - and that in order for the society to survive for long it must tolerate and accept varied individual and group behavior that is sometimes wildly at odds with the myth.
 
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A planetary culture of 6 billion plus persons will have decent Vulcans like the medical doctor in ENT who was a melder, bastards like V'Las and those in-between like Sarek, Spock and Soval. The flaw of the franchise is the monolithic portrayal of alien beings and their cultures, compared to the varied humans on the screen.
 
One reason seeing the Klingon defense attorney in "Judgment(ENT)" was so wonderful and hearing Kolos explain how Klingon culture wasn't always about combat and worrying about honor:

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Yep, believing that the Vulcans were as Spock presented them in the earliest episodes of TOS is a misreading of the series - at least, after Sturgeon came along to flesh them out. He recognized the one thing that is true of individuals and cultures, which is that whatever they insist that they are is an ideal - or if to be harsher, a myth about themselves which is a consensual delusion - and that in order for the society to survive for long it must tolerate and accept varied individual and group behavior that is sometimes wildly at odds with the myth.

Exactly. A culture's ideals are just that: an ideal to aspire to, not something that every individual lives up to all the time.

Heck, the very existence of Kolinahr, which is achieved only by the most disciplined Vulcan adepts, suggests that the average Vulcan is far from completely purged of emotion and illogic.
 
And humans throughout Trek preach peaceful coexistence and diplomacy but how many Starfleet Admirals are rogues with criminal plots to achieve some extralegal goal? How many humans are smugglers, assassins or spies who order the innocent to be killed or otherwise physically harmed?

For a world described as "paradise" in the late 24th century Earth sure seems to have a lot of underhanded assholes.
 
Also, real psychology shows us that suppressing your emotions is both impossible and incredibly harmful to one's mental health and the mental health of one's loved ones. We can perhaps hypothesize that as aliens, this is untrue for Vulcans, but if there were a society in real life that tried to function on the basis of Vulcan beliefs, that entire society would be fundamentally abusive.
 
Because Vulcans still are driven by emotions and not always perfectly logical like they want to be.
Exactly. It's not that Vulcans don't have emotions oh, they do and said emotions are still very intense. What the Vulcans have learned to do as a society is to completely suppress and repress their emotions; and ostracize any Vulcan or group of Vulcans who do not follow that societal norm.
 
The Synth ban is evidence Federation leaders make the wrong decisions based on heightened emotions after one catastrophe and decide to blame the entire concept rather than seek out the reasons for the catastrophe and then work to reduce the likelihood of those recurring. "We're not doing the work necessary to prevent the real issues from happening again so let's just ban the whole category so we no longer need to worry about any of it!"
 
Warning this will be TL/DR material.

It's almost impossible to discuss Vulcans without ENT, as the previous Berman era did not really deal with them except as this-weeks-crazy-person or minor character and the TOS era was brief and usually dealt with other things.

And you can't really discuss Vulcans very well without discussing their interactions with humans as the most famous Vulcan is half-human, and Earth's debut into galactic society is due to Vulcan, at least in part.

And this is where it gets ugly. I am quoting another franchise here. "You haven't idealized mankind but you deformed it. You mutilated it. That's your legacy." -The Watchmen.

Humanity never got its chance to take its baby steps into the wider universe around it. The heat shield was probably still warm when the Vulcans came in to gift gifts to the natives and put things in order. As this kind of gunboat diplomacy goes, it was generally benign. Earth got its shit together. But how bad was Earth, anyway? It was capable of launching a massive colony ship within twenty years of First Contact, along with other major endeavors. It was mining the moon, terraforming Mars, and despite being held back technologically, economically, and diplomatically it was trying to plot its own course, despite being held back as a defacto client states, by the Vulcans. What Earth could have become without the Vulcans might have been just as impressive, or moreso.

In some ways the best thing that could have happened to Earth was the initial Xindi weapon test. Vulcan had no answer to it, had no assistance to offer. A worsening situation with its other neighbors allowed earth to begin shrugging off Vulcan's control. That suzerainty had come at least with some expectation of safety and in this Vulcan had failed entirely. Vulcan and Earth were not done with each other but the dynamic changed irrevocably the moment the death ray hit Florida.

When the dust would finally clear with the end of the Romulan War, Vulcans would begin to be shown up repeatedly, victims of their arrogance, their petty political arguments, xenophobia, and slow development cycle in comparison to Earth. Sarek seemed to see that Vulcan society was lacking something. He may have seen the answer as strengthening ties to Earth, even biologically. In the end he proved right though the missing piece was the Romulan society it had been torn asunder from.

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this sums up the problem and nature of Vulcan/Earth relations. Earth was both grateful and resentful of Vulcan, but Vulcan had a more powerful emotion, one that as a species they would never come to terms with, fear of their upstart younger siblings. Vulcan seems to be a culture that has fear built into its very framework.
 
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Do we ever see what Vulcan culture was like before Surak came, and created the logic-based philosophy that Vulcan had long been identified with?
 
@Citiprime,

I'd beg to disagree. Vulcans are not beholden to an "ideology," as you say, but to logic. Which is an entirely different thing. Plus, when Spock sacrifices himself in The Wrath of Khan, his last words to Kirk were: "don't grieve. It's logical. The needs of the many outweigh the few...or the one. I never took the Kobayashi Maru. What do you think of my solution?"

If THAT's not emotion, I don't know what is.
 
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