You take that back! Bernd's style isn't mind-numbing, he's just... thorough
Voyager's Unusual Size?
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But during combat when the ship's being smashed with phaser fire and photon torpedoes, those balls, pins and shoes would be some nasty projectiles bouncing and flying around as the ship shook.... having it on the holodeck makes more sense for this reason, and since the physical bowling alleys wouldn't be there, that's extra space for more tech that produced more energy for the ship and the holodecks
Sure it is.... whenever the Delta Flyer was not being used, they just shrink it down like what they did on DS9 with a Runabout
(One little Ship)I love Bernd; he's a really nice, smart, gracious guy. He's Trek's version of the Star Wars' Mr. Wong. Or rather, he's the anti-Wong.You take that back! Bernd's style isn't mind-numbing, he's just... thorough
But about the OP: length isn't all-important. It's the volume. And volume is going to be *far* smaller on Voyager, given its shape and length relative to the Enterprise-D. Its length might be roughly half, but its volume is a lot less than half.
And about crew size: given the highly automated systems and advanced computer interface, I don't think it'd require too many people to run a Starfleet vessel. For example, the engineers such as Geordi don't have to do too much hard thinking: he can almost always ask the computer what's wrong, then tell it to fix it. (I don't recall the TNG episode, but Geordi had a long "conversation" with the computer about possible chemical infectants and which the conputer screened. When the computer told him there was a chemical compound that it didn't screen and could be the culprit, all he had to do was just tell it to screen for it.)
I think the principal reason why ships such as the Enterprise-D had so many aboard was there were many scientists who were interested in exploring and conducting experiments. Recall how once they had trouble coordinating the schedules of the many science teams aboard who each wanted their turn at data collection. I doubt they were needed to run the ship.
Probably the same was true even with Voyager's smaller crew. Some, such as Tal Celes and that loner scientist in "Good Shepherd" were clearly redundant and essentially useless for running the ship.
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We've seen the ship hit and shook, while Janeway loves to fall on the floor none of the items that aren't nailed down ever move. We've only seen it once when nothing on the ship worked during "YOH". Such things as flying projectiles ever seems to be an issue.
But during combat when the ship's being smashed with phaser fire and photon torpedoes, those balls, pins and shoes would be some nasty projectiles bouncing and flying around as the ship shook.... having it on the holodeck makes more sense for this reason, and since the physical bowling alleys wouldn't be there, that's extra space for more tech that produced more energy for the ship and the holodecks
In TNG Suddenly Human when Picard kidnaps some kid because he doesn't like the look of his father (War Orphen. Alien raising human teen.) Worf snears in derision (There are 32 words for sneer in Klingon, but no word for deodorant.) when he says "The alien vessels are charging their lasers... Sir, lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields".
I always liked that.
Janeways heading spaceward without navigation shields is like one of us riding a roller-coaster with out a safety bar. The year of hell had driven her space crazy faster than most of us noticed,
I always liked that.
Janeways heading spaceward without navigation shields is like one of us riding a roller-coaster with out a safety bar. The year of hell had driven her space crazy faster than most of us noticed,
Yeah, most systems are probably automated and are under computer control. But I also think the majority of ship's operations personnel are there to monitor the various systems and to perform routine maintenance to keep them working at peak condition. They'd probably would only take manual control of the systems in the event of a malfunction or some other emergency where automation is down or not the best course of action at the time.
Another thing to consider are the number of daily duty shifts a vessel may have. The actual number of people actually on duty at any given time may only be a third or a fourth of the entire complement depending on how many duty shifts a vessel may have. If an Intrepid-class ship has a standard crew of 141 and operates in three shifts, only 32 or 47 may actually be on duty at any given time, with the rest being off-duty or in their presumed sleep cycles (only during an alert situation might the entire 141-member crew be on duty, IMO).
You need 50 people (or one Borgette, or One ECH) to run Voyager we'll have to assume after Janeway said that they couldn't run Voyager with less than a hundred people if we assumed that she oeared it down to two duty shifts... but then she was a moron not to take on crew there, because there had to be plenty of humans there that would be interested in seeing the homeworld.
Yeah, Kazon ships were old obsolete technology, it's like putting the titanic up against a small modern day us millitary ship
Ha! I knew I wasn't the only one who thought of The Princess Bride when I read the thread title.
Galaxy is 6-7 times bigger than Intrepid.
The Kazon behemoth ships may have been based on old technology, but it took about 4 of them to match Voyager (which also used holograms as a distraction for some of the firepower), not 10.
In any event, Voyager can probably handle about 3 of them without creating holographic ships ... although it seemed to hold pretty good and destroyed one large behemoth with just 3 photon torpedoes.
In any event, Voyager can probably handle about 3 of them without creating holographic ships ... although it seemed to hold pretty good and destroyed one large behemoth with just 3 photon torpedoes.
I always took it that Janeway didn't want to kill them. Get them to run away sure, maybe a bloody nose, but there's such a power imbalance that there's absolutely no argument for selfdefense unless the Kazon stack the deck. It was her own good nature that kept the kazong in the game beleiving that they outsmarted death when really kathy was just humouring them never consiering for a second in taking thengs that far.
Why punch some one in the jaw or the chest when it's easier to stick one of your fingers knuckle deep into their eye socket?
From Basics
A few minutes later
Though I could be missinterpretting the transcript. Since the four they eventually fought, half of them may have been the 8 that were chasing them to that killzone. I'm too tird to read this transcript bollocks with any conviction. My eyes hurt.
Why punch some one in the jaw or the chest when it's easier to stick one of your fingers knuckle deep into their eye socket?
From Basics
A few minutes later
Though I could be missinterpretting the transcript. Since the four they eventually fought, half of them may have been the 8 that were chasing them to that killzone. I'm too tird to read this transcript bollocks with any conviction. My eyes hurt.
Voyager had 15 decks.
The original crew complement was 141.
That's less than 10 people per deck.
The original crew complement was 141.
That's less than 10 people per deck.
No wonder Janeway managed to forget about all those crewpeople from "Good Shepard".
Hmmm
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Isn't the bridge one deck all by itself?
Deck One also contains the Captain's Ready Room and the Observation Lounge/Conference Room. I think there's also some non-canon areas derived from the outside area like an escape pod bay and maybe a small docking port.
And the incredibly non-canon Captain's Yacht which might just as well be referred to as Deck Zero.
I just finished watching resolutions.
I saw Janeway buckle a little. She was seriously considering letting him into her heart and her bed... You know after all hope had died. I couldn't help but draw a metaphor with how life on Voyager for her must be a bollocks middle ground on her way back to Earth as quickly as possible, if her thoughts on her exile were her chief principles, but at the very least it explains why she didn't take a lover on Voayger.
Here's the crunch on the Tuvok issue... Tuvok was in his jammies drinking wine. He could have been totally ratarsed,. and Kim is hammering on the captains door at 1am (the time was given) in the morning. Kim's argument is this "we can cut off bit's of B'Elanna and sell them for a cure" at which Tuvok reminds Kim about the events of Deadlock when they killed three hundred Vidiians during a desperate act of aggression against the Vidiian people... Imagine if on October 11 2001, that Osama Bin ladin contacted the US State department and asked if they wouldn't mind facilitating a kidney tranplant for the most wanted man in the world?
Kim argued with bad logic, and then got stroppy when he was shut down. Kes argued with good emotion and then wandered off before Tuvok could counter, not that he can match her heart for heart... besides what threat he must have understood from what she said was that Kim was just the weakest link who broke first and soon the entire crew will also break too, one after th other, turning into winy crybabies like Harry thumping their puffed out chests while they armchair quarterback his most logical captaincy. A crew of nothing but harry Kim's emotional doppelgänger: FRIGHTENING!
Kes is so cool.
I just finished watching resolutions.
I saw Janeway buckle a little. She was seriously considering letting him into her heart and her bed... You know after all hope had died. I couldn't help but draw a metaphor with how life on Voyager for her must be a bollocks middle ground on her way back to Earth as quickly as possible, if her thoughts on her exile were her chief principles, but at the very least it explains why she didn't take a lover on Voayger.
Here's the crunch on the Tuvok issue... Tuvok was in his jammies drinking wine. He could have been totally ratarsed,. and Kim is hammering on the captains door at 1am (the time was given) in the morning. Kim's argument is this "we can cut off bit's of B'Elanna and sell them for a cure" at which Tuvok reminds Kim about the events of Deadlock when they killed three hundred Vidiians during a desperate act of aggression against the Vidiian people... Imagine if on October 11 2001, that Osama Bin ladin contacted the US State department and asked if they wouldn't mind facilitating a kidney tranplant for the most wanted man in the world?
Kim argued with bad logic, and then got stroppy when he was shut down. Kes argued with good emotion and then wandered off before Tuvok could counter, not that he can match her heart for heart... besides what threat he must have understood from what she said was that Kim was just the weakest link who broke first and soon the entire crew will also break too, one after th other, turning into winy crybabies like Harry thumping their puffed out chests while they armchair quarterback his most logical captaincy. A crew of nothing but harry Kim's emotional doppelgänger: FRIGHTENING!
Kes is so cool.
