Voyager's amazing shuttlebay

[The Green Mushroom]

Building shuttles and even keeping a few disassembled for easier storage never bothered me about Voyager.

What did bother about Voyager's magic capabilities:

Ignoring the fact that they specifically said that they couldn't make more torpedoes. (Though I suppose they could learn to make more)

Always repairing the ship to factory condition. Wouldn't it have been easier to keep a few scars to avoid the waste of resources painting the hull.

Not repeatedly staging mutinies against the crazy lady sending them off on science expeditions instead of going home.

And running of out of a material that the ship could literally mine while driving through deep space. I mean did Voyager not have ramscoops like the Enterprise and how did the Delta Quadrant run of out deuterium if it has all the other elements?

 

[Timo]

(Though I suppose they could learn to make more)

Or repair the machinery that normally made more. If they were having trouble with their food replicators early on, it would make sense that their torpedo replicators were acting up as well.

Getting out of Kazon territory would change all that, as there would be civilized ports of call there for repairing the ship. Several of the cultures encountered after the Nekrit Expanse had transporters, so they might quite plausibly have had replicator repair workshops as well... Before Nekrit, the only folks with such capabilities would have been the hostile Vidiians.

Always repairing the ship to factory condition. Wouldn't it have been easier to keep a few scars to avoid the waste of resources painting the hull.

I guess the paint replicators weren't out of order...

And running of out of a material that the ship could literally mine while driving through deep space. I mean did Voyager not have ramscoops like the Enterprise and how did the Delta Quadrant run of out deuterium if it has all the other elements?

We don't know what ramscoops are for, save for blowing gas on the face of your enemy. We have never been told they would be capable of providing the ship with fuel - never mind enough fuel to keep on going indefinitely. Indeed, Kirk already was shown signing fuel consumption reports, and Spock worried about his ship running out of fuel in the duel with the Doomsday Machine; ramscoops visible on the nacelles of that ship apparently weren't of any help.

Perhaps ramscoops are good for refueling if one finds a really dense nebula or a gas giant? Otherwise, the best bet is to go to ports of call that have concentrated deuterium available. And if too may of those in a row turn out not to accept Federation Express for payment, it would indeed be possible to run out of fuel.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[T'Girl]

Janeway states they have a full complement of shuttles which for an intrepid class would be 4.

In order to have the more useful Delta Flyer on the flight deck, it's too bad Janeway doesn't have a place to keep the rarely (but occasionally) used standard shuttles.

Like a cargo bay, with an external door ... oh wait.

getting the things through the doorway

1) Someone misunderstood the width of the door.

2) Someone misunderstood the "wingspan" of the Delta Flyer.

3) Both.

Because short of them simply beaming the Flyer out, it is getting out that door. And with a hotshot pilot like Paris, more than a millimetre of clearance on each side would be wasteful.

Paris had a hand in designing the Flyer, he likely made the thing so that it would be difficult ( but not impossible) to fly it out of the ship.

Just for the fun of it.

 

[Timo]

...And to make it extra challenging, he asked Seven to provide a secret Borg shrinking functionality that makes it impossible to clear the doors without pushing the hidden button. Oh, the insufferable sniggering when Kim bumps into the bulkheads time after time after time!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

What I always wondered, where was "shuttlebay 2" which is frequently mentioned? There is clearly only one shuttlebay on Voyager, which the MSD confirms.

One of my favourite times when they make this mistake is Threshold, upon being informed of an unauthorized launch from shuttlebay 2, Chakotay says "what?!" as though he doesn't understand how this is possible. Indeed, how is it possible for a shuttle to launch from a shuttlebay which doesn't exist?

 

[MacLeod]

^It's another example of the writers not caring about the little details.

And yes all shows make errors like that one.

 

[Timo]

There is clearly only one shuttlebay on Voyager

There is only one door. Might be there are several bays beyond that door; after all, a "bay" literally taken denotes an alcove-type space jutting out of a central "sea", and we have seen plenty of imagery of such alcoves!

which the MSD confirms.

If the bays are side by side, the MSD would only show one.

"Shuttlebay 2" would be valid terminology for describing shuttle stowage arrangements, certainly. In contrast, if there's only one door, then "unauthorized launch from shuttlebay 2" features a meaningless extra detail, because launches from all the bays would be identical for the purposes of authorization, preventive measures and whatnot.

The often offered alternate solution to the dialogue gaffes is that the stern shuttlebay is #2, but that the fan-shaped doors at the bottom of the saucer hide shuttlebays #1 and #3, the numbering proceeding logically from port to starboard. The aeroshuttle berth, regardless of whether it's occupied by said craft, could also add to the total.

It would still take a special kind of Herbert to insist on talking about shuttlebay 2 when that is the only one our heroes ever use... It's the reverse of the TOS transporter room thing: Kirk has every justification to speak of "the transporter room" even if his ship has twelve of them, as long as everybody knows which room is in use at that time.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MacLeod]

Transporter Room 3 seemed to be the one of the main ones used onboard the 1701-D

 

[Timo]

And we could concoct a dozen different explanations for that. Picard might have trusted the people in charge of that room more than he trusted others, much like Kirk might have trusted Lt Kyle over his competitors. Or then one of the rooms was closer to the briefing room, or closer to the nearest turbolift, or closer to the last-chance toilet. Or then it was the one with the locker for Kirk or Picard's personal off-ship equipment. Etc.

We never learned how many transporter rooms Voyager had, and their number never really was a plot point; the same goes with the TOS and TNG ships. The Defiant transporters were supposedly fewer in number, but even that tiny ship had at least two, eliminating the plot possibility of a "blockade" that a hero or villain would have to circumvent to utilize the "only" escape possibility. The shuttlebays on the E-D were numerous as well, so theoretically it might have been more difficult to guard the lot; but security around the supposed single bays on Kirk and Janeway's ships was so abysmal as to make this a moot plot point.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[MacLeod]

Well I believe Transporter Room 3 was O'Briens usual one and as he was the most seen Transporter Chief, perhaps you're right Picard had more faith in him.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Or three was his lucky number ever since Cause and Effect?

And damn it especially after Chain of Command he was staying the hell away from Transporter bays 4 and 5.

I'm surprised he didn't retire/discontinue the numbers 4 and 5 all across his ship.

 

[Destructor]

Did Voyager have more than one Transporter room?

Well, if Shuttlebay 2 was the shuttlebay immediately adjacent to the shuttlebay doors (as seems to be the case), can't we just say the rest of the shuttle were in 'Shuttlebay #1" and rotated into shuttlebay 2 as required?

 

[7thsealord]

Well I believe Transporter Room 3 was O'Briens usual one and as he was the most seen Transporter Chief, perhaps you're right Picard had more faith in him.

If a Captain can have a preferred (or personal) shuttle, then why not his own Transporter Room?

 

[jpch]

the problem is related with CGI,the Defiant sometimes appeared 120M sometimes 170M even 100M some episodes,the Galaxy class seems different in size compared to Warbirds in every episodes,hell even once the Warbird was smaller then a galaxy even if it was stated to be 1.5 times its size i cant list even more examples.... the Delta flyer also had this issue,but people love to criticize VOY only and forget the others,why is it such a big deal if they vary in size? the CGI is inconsistant because it costs alot and they cannot fit Infinite X size in 1 scene,in addition the special effects group changes form season to season...

so just imagine the shuttle bay like this XD

http://http//hatvok.deviantart.com/art/Voyager-s-Shuttle-Bay-115288587http://hatvok.deviantart.com/art/Voyager-s-Shuttle-Bay-115288587

 

[Deks]

I see no reason as to why Voyager wouldn't be able to house 7 shuttles.
On top of that, did it ever occur to people that they may store the shuttles in the lower part of the hangar deck? You know... like garages... only they'd be on pads that retract into the floor.
You can stick more shuttles inside a ship like that.

As for the shuttle sizes... yeah, the Flyer was bigger than what could fit through the initial doors, but what I never understood was, why not just simply enlarge the doors in that case?
They had room to do that in the first place, so technically, there shouldn't have been issues.

 

[jpch]

I see no reason as to why Voyager wouldn't be able to house 7 shuttles.
On top of that, did it ever occur to people that they may store the shuttles in the lower part of the hangar deck? You know... like garages... only they'd be on pads that retract into the floor.
You can stick more shuttles inside a ship like that.

As for the shuttle sizes... yeah, the Flyer was bigger than what could fit through the initial doors, but what I never understood was, why not just simply enlarge the doors in that case?
They had room to do that in the first place, so technically, there shouldn't have been issues.

I agree even Rick Sternbach said that the shuttles could be rebuilt in a few hours or decoupled using materials from replicators as long as they keep the cores.(season5 extras)

 

[Timo]

And perhaps the warp coils, which the backstage books describe as being painstakingly "cast". I can just imagine stacks upon stacks of those exotic-material donuts on the back wall of the workshop, like so many spare tires...

Alas, Voyager is a tight fit for more than a handful of shuttles. The stern is fairly narrow, the lower deck is narrower still, and the warp core sits quite far back (as seen by the exterior hatch) and necessarily truncates the shuttle storage volume...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mytran]

I dunno - strategic designs did a pretty convincing job:

 

[7thsealord]

I dunno - strategic designs did a pretty convincing job:

N-i-c-e. I used to collect ST blueprints. Where can those be had?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Probably www.cygnus-x1.net.