You are kidding, aren't you?
I mean, you can't possible call Stargate Universe a good series.
Voyager - right show at the wrong time?
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I mean, you can't possible call Stargate Universe a good series.
I would say with absolute sincerity that my imperfect recollection is that Stargate Universe was better than Voyager for their two seasons. I think SGU had the potential for an even better third season, but we'll never know, as it never got the chance that Voyager did to find its footing.
Of course if you're a Kes fan you might disagree that Voyager got better after its first couple of years
Of course if you're a Kes fan you might disagree that Voyager got better after its first couple of years
A good series? Maybe. It had its moments.You are kidding, aren't you?
I mean, you can't possible call Stargate Universe a good series.
A better series than Voyager? Absolutely.
I enjoyed Star Gate Universe way more than Voyager. At least Star Gate Universe had consequences. The entire series of Voyager was just a bunch of reset buttons at the end of the episode. No consequences, no damage, no power troubles. Just ok back to normal at the end of every episode. Kes was a trash character with horrible writing. Her species made no sense and couldn't have ever continued to populate their world.
Of course if you're a Kes fan you might disagree that Voyager got better after its first couple of years
I'm not a Kes fan specifically, neither a Kes hater.
And while I do agree that after Kes left, the show became more even and perhaps had less absolute duds, I wouldn't call it better necessarily. It became more generic, they found out what 'worked'. And that turned out to be Borg, Boobs, and 'splosions & action. But I still have the feeling they essentially had given up on giving Voyager its very own, distinctive 'feel' among the Trek series by that point and simply went for the greatest common denominator.
I agree with this!
So you'd be fine with Voyager not needing maintenance or food resupplies or anything external thereby justifying the cast all acting like angry teenagers?
Meh. Angry teenagers would still be preferable to Berman-era characters. At least the angry teenagers act like actual human beings. I'll take actual emotions and conflict over the "perfect" humans of TNG and Voyager. As for the rest, it's been years since I've seen it, but didn't they tackle the supply issues fairly well? At least in regards to the rules set up within the franchise?
The ship in SGU didn't need any maintenance and always could provide enough food for everyone. Supplies and repairs and weapon stockpiles were very much never an issue...to justify the crew acting like children.
Yeah, but it was Ancient tech. Isn't that tech firmly established to be pretty self sustaining and built to last literally millions of years? Again, it's been years since I've watched anything Stargate related. Didn't the ship in SGU autopilot itself into a sun to recharge its energy cells? What I'm saying is that it's not really comparable to Trek Tech, which has been shown to need maintenance. Energy is a finite resource in Star Trek.
I also don't remember anyone necessarily acting like children. There was certainly a great deal of infighting and tension. Conflict was certainly plentiful. But I'll take that over the 24th century characters seen in TNG and Voyager that were about as exciting as dry toast in most episodes.
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The SGU characters never acted "like children." If anything, their flaw was they were often depressed and miserable, which I blame on the show trying too hard to emulate Nu BSG in its first season.
I think one of us must be mis-remembering, as that doesn't match my recollection. The first episode is called 'Air' and is about them needing to find supplies to fix the life support. The next episode is called 'Darkness' and is about the ship running out of power. Then there's 'Water', which is about needing to get water. They get food a little bit later. Even in season 2 they're still doing stuff like fixing the CO2 scrubbers.
Yes, I do think that Voyager was better in the first three years, not only because of Kes but also because all the main characters had something to do in thise episodes.I would say with absolute sincerity that my imperfect recollection is that Stargate Universe was better than Voyager for their two seasons. I think SGU had the potential for an even better third season, but we'll never know, as it never got the chance that Voyager did to find its footing.
Of course if you're a Kes fan you might disagree that Voyager got better after its first couple of years
Later on it became The Seven of Nine Show with Janeway and The Doctor as her assistants.
Definitely not.
Voyager have its flaws and those in charge messed it up a lot. But it was at least entertaining, most of all in the first three seasons.
Stargate Universe wasn't.
The only "consequenses" Stargate Universe had was that it was plain boring from day one. It was so bad that it became a joke laughing stock for me and a guy who worked at the same place as me. It was the only reason for me to continue to watch the show. We used to discuss the episodes and how bad they were. In fact, I quit watching it after four episodes and missed three or so but started watching again when my colleague mentioned that he had fell aslepp twice while watching it. After that it became the weekly joke.
I can give you some points about the reset buttons, that could have been handled better in Voyager. But overall the series, despite its flaws was much better than Stargate Universe.
As for Kes, she was a gret character who totally outclasses the three main female characters on Stargate Universe. They were horrible, the doctor who only did seem to have one line to say "I shouldn't have been on this ship", the Ambassador's daughter with an IQ of 30 who only did seem to be interested in having sex with the male "action hero" and the downright disgusting leader for the "Civilian" faction who only were out to create trouble.
No doubt why the series was cancelled after two seasons.
This spring, I actually found SGU season 1 in a bargain bin for a very decent price. I bought it, just to see if it was so bad as I thought it was back in the days when I first watched it.
It was!
No, they acted like psychos. All of them.
And NuBSG was also horrible.
And how interesting is that?
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Why was it ahead of its time in 1994/1995? If this is about the series having a female lead, there are STILL plenty of fans who have a problem with this.
As for "VOYAGER" having flaws, what Trek show didn't? I believe just about every Trek show I have seen - from "The Original Series" to "Picard" or "Strange New World" had issues. All of them.
Honestly, I thought it could've been executed better. I was just pointing out that SGU did take the 'we're lost in space on a broken ship with limited resources' thing more seriously than was claimed. More seriously than Voyager did as well.
And yeah I actually agree that some of SGU was kind of laughable, with the way it tried to pull a Lost and end with montages to pop songs with extremely on the nose lyrics. And how it tried to throw in a bunch of cringy relationship drama. And how it was a blatant attempt to lure Battlestar fans into the Stargate franchise. Voyager felt like 'more Star Trek', for better or worse, but SGU was tonally so different to SG-1 and SG:A that it felt like it was chasing trends and trying too hard.
But I'm glad I stuck with it, as it got a lot better as the writers figured out what was working and played more to their strengths.
This is true. Every single Star Trek series except for Lower Decks has flaws
Okay, one thing I could never get behind was how the people would use those stones to swap bodies and visit their loved ones on Earth...and sometimes even had sex USING those swapped bodies which the swapped folks NEVER agreed to in the first place.
I will admit it was nice of the Colonel in charge, after a failed mutiny, to say "Okay, you guys rebelled and we'll figure out a punishment but the truth is we're just going to have to learn to co-exist so for now you're just confined".
Adama in NuBSG would just kill them all.
It actually was established the people on Earth who took part in the stone swaps signed waivers agreeing to let their bodies be used for sexual purposes.
And that makes it LESS of a stupid idea in the first place?
Sounds like a concept straight out of a science fiction novel.
Honestly, I thought it could've been executed better. I was just pointing out that SGU did take the 'we're lost in space on a broken ship with limited resources' thing more seriously than was claimed. More seriously than Voyager did as well.
And yeah I actually agree that some of SGU was kind of laughable, with the way it tried to pull a Lost and end with montages to pop songs with extremely on the nose lyrics. And how it tried to throw in a bunch of cringy relationship drama. And how it was a blatant attempt to lure Battlestar fans into the Stargate franchise. Voyager felt like 'more Star Trek', for better or worse, but SGU was tonally so different to SG-1 and SG:A that it felt like it was chasing trends and trying too hard.
But I'm glad I stuck with it, as it got a lot better as the writers figured out what was working and played more to their strengths.
This is true. Every single Star Trek series except for Lower Decks has flaws
it did take the "limited resources thing" better than VOY.
But did it make SGU a better series? No!
It was dark and depressive and so bad that it became laughable.
The contrary to SG-1 and SG:A which were good series. Downright stupid of those in charge to cancel SG:A and instead come up with such a horrible show as SGU.
All series have flaws. But some series have more flaws than others.
