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Voyager on Netflix vs DVD quality?

I have Voyager in DVD Netflix and skyshowtime.

I have observed litte diferentes.

For example in the 5x15 around minute 9 Netflix drops the scenes with Seven of Nine speaking in the comedor with Paris.

Where this scenes is on skyshowtime, but they Lost english audio in the last worlds of scene.
In the DVDs this scene exist, but there is a diferencia between skyshowtime and DVDs just after the scene ends there is another with the Voyager traveling. The camera are diferent in skyshowtime and DVDs, and Voyager in skyshowtime appear more artificial, more made by a computer that the DVDs
 
You have to remember that all the TV master tapes (both NTSC & PAL) were created in the 1990’s. And, unlike SeaQuest DSV or Babylon 5 where the producers had to deliver film masters (and in the case of SeaQuest, the film masters were used for the International PAL/SECAM masters, while the NTSC masters were the rough cut versions that went to air, and now SeaQuest could be remastered into 1080p or even 4K), the producers of DS9 and Voyager were not required too. So the only transfer the film had was to 480i 30-frame-per-second NTSC D2 Composite Video tape (and we are talking true composite video, not Y/C composite like VHS or S-VHS where it would split a composite signal into a color and separate black & white channel on the tape, but composite like Laserdisc), unless it was model/sfx shots, then those went on D1 NTSC 30-frame Component Video Tape to preserve quality during all the generations of compositing that were required. (And later on, the CGI shots were output to D1 NTSC tape.). However, then everything from the D2 and D1 tapes were edited together on one D2 NTSC Composite videotape and that NTSC master became to basis for ALL NTSC/PAL/SECAM tapes. And in 1994, 60% of stations in the USA got their copies from a satellite feed that they then copied to whatever video tape they used (Betacam SP, S-VHS). The other 40% got their copies on 3/4” U-Matic. In Canada it was probably the same amount, however in other countries like the UK, they might’ve got their masters from the satellite (which would’ve been sent in 480i) and the station would’ve handled the conversion themselves or Paramount would’ve run them through a machine that was specially design to convert and upscale the NTSC 480i 30-frame to PAL/Secam’s 576i 25-frame (and in the case of SECAM, they probably used the PAL master to create the SECAM master by running it through another special box that was designed to convert the PAL color into the SECAM color).

And all of this conversion would’ve most likely been handled in the analog, composite domain, even if they were going from D2 NTSC to D2 PAL, since they were most likely using equipment from the 1970’s-1980’s to do the conversions (D2 tape was originally created with the intention of being able to slip it into analog set ups without having to spend millions to change everything over to digital to work with D1 properly). And stations that air DS9 & Voyager in HD are still using SD tapes from the 90’s and upconverting them to 720p or 1080i. As for Paramount plus, maybe they upconverted the files to 720p and they are streaming them in 720p and using that to make them look a little better at a slightly higher bitrate. For years, even on broadcast TV, because of compression issues, 720p has generally been considered equivalent to an upconverted DVD. 720p is usually broadcast or streamed around the 11-to-13 Mbps at a variable bitrate. DVD’s max bitrate is 9.2 Mbps, with most DVD’s are encoded with a variable bitrate in the 5.0-7.0 Mbps range.

So, in order to get better video for DS9 & Voyager, both shows need to be re-edited and have the camera negatives rescanned in either 1080p or 4K and edited that way. As for the current files, they were made 20 years ago and were using 3-D comb filters that were top-of-the-line back then, however you can get better color separation on your modern TV’s (if they have a yellow composite connector or in the Uk, the composite SCART connector) by connecting your DVD player by composite. It forces the video back into composite and then your modern TV’s 3-D comb filter will give you a better color separation. Another option is to track down the DS9 & Voyager Laserdiscs that were released (as these are just analog composite copies of the digital composite masters, so they never went through a separation circuit) and connect a Laserdisc player by composite and you’ll get the current ultimate video that way.
i have found your posts very informative. i don't know a whole lot about this, so i hope you don't mind if i ask you a few (perhaps silly and a little off topic) questions...

- i thought that the region 1 releases of the tng, ds9 and voy dvds were all 480i, but when i view them on my blu-ray player with original resolution setting set (the player should output whatever is recorded on the disc) it outputs 480p to my projector. should it do that?

- considering that cbs's original video tapes are 480i, would it be best to project at 480i or 480p? if i want to get video playback that is as close to the tapes as possible (do i want that?)

- my projector lists both 480/60i and 480/60p as supported outputs. what exactly does the "60" mean? i am confused by field and frame rates...

- if 480i is what we want to output, does the projector natively output what is on the disc without any deinterlacing/interlacing?

thanks! :]
 
i have found your posts very informative. i don't know a whole lot about this, so i hope you don't mind if i ask you a few (perhaps silly and a little off topic) questions...

- i thought that the region 1 releases of the tng, ds9 and voy dvds were all 480i, but when i view them on my blu-ray player with original resolution setting set (the player should output whatever is recorded on the disc) it outputs 480p to my projector. should it do that?

- considering that cbs's original video tapes are 480i, would it be best to project at 480i or 480p? if i want to get video playback that is as close to the tapes as possible (do i want that?)

- my projector lists both 480/60i and 480/60p as supported outputs. what exactly does the "60" mean? i am confused by field and frame rates...

- if 480i is what we want to output, does the projector natively output what is on the disc without any deinterlacing/interlacing?

thanks! :]
How do you have your Blu-Ray connected? If it’s HDMI, most Blu-Ray players will only do 480p as the lowest resolution due to a number of TV’s and projectors not recognizing 480i over HDMI (this is hardwired into your player, so you can not turn it off). However when the player does this it is reading the 480i from the disc and using its hardware de-interlacer to send a 480-progressive image to your TV/Projector. Now then if you have a player that has analog outputs (component/S-Video/composite) then you can select 480i over analog because TV’s with analog inputs will expect 480i over analog. I use both a PS3 and PS4, (I think the PS4 is HDMI-only) and on the PS3 over HDMI it disables 480i over HDMI for anything whether it is Blu-Ray, DVD or video games. If I plug in an analog component or VGA connector, then it allows me to select 480i (composite and S-Video are locked to 480i/240p).

480/60i is just another way of saying 480/30i. The 60i is counting in terms of the number of interlace 720 by 240 fields, whereas 30i is counting by the number of full interlace 720 by 480 frames.

480/60p are 60 full frame progressive frames. Back in the early days of HD it was thought that by just using 480/30p we would get the same smoothness as from 480/60i, however it turned out that 480/30p wasn’t as smooth, because it was giving a frame rate that was closer to 15 frames per second. They actually found that having a new field or frame every 1/60th of a second gives that smooth look, but when you try to stretch 30 frames over that, your frame rate gets cut in half. That’s another issue with the Netflix/streaming files as well, by throwing out 1 of those 480/60i fields and doubling the remaining field, those files are now running at essentially 15fps.
 
How do you have your Blu-Ray connected? If it’s HDMI, most Blu-Ray players will only do 480p as the lowest resolution due to a number of TV’s and projectors not recognizing 480i over HDMI (this is hardwired into your player, so you can not turn it off). However when the player does this it is reading the 480i from the disc and using its hardware de-interlacer to send a 480-progressive image to your TV/Projector. Now then if you have a player that has analog outputs (component/S-Video/composite) then you can select 480i over analog because TV’s with analog inputs will expect 480i over analog. I use both a PS3 and PS4, (I think the PS4 is HDMI-only) and on the PS3 over HDMI it disables 480i over HDMI for anything whether it is Blu-Ray, DVD or video games. If I plug in an analog component or VGA connector, then it allows me to select 480i (composite and S-Video are locked to 480i/240p).

480/60i is just another way of saying 480/30i. The 60i is counting in terms of the number of interlace 720 by 240 fields, whereas 30i is counting by the number of full interlace 720 by 480 frames.

480/60p are 60 full frame progressive frames. Back in the early days of HD it was thought that by just using 480/30p we would get the same smoothness as from 480/60i, however it turned out that 480/30p wasn’t as smooth, because it was giving a frame rate that was closer to 15 frames per second. They actually found that having a new field or frame every 1/60th of a second gives that smooth look, but when you try to stretch 30 frames over that, your frame rate gets cut in half. That’s another issue with the Netflix/streaming files as well, by throwing out 1 of those 480/60i fields and doubling the remaining field, those files are now running at essentially 15fps.
thanks for your helpful reply! well, i am able to manually select 480i on my player and can confirm that both player and projector reports 480i in their menus when playing back the dvds... i know that my projector and player supports both 480i and 480p, i just thought it was odd that the player automatically selected 480p when the original resolution setting was enabled. yes, everything is connected via hdmi.

is it best to view them at native 480i or would deinterlacing/480p be better?

thank you =)
 
thanks for your helpful reply! well, i am able to manually select 480i on my player and can confirm that both player and projector reports 480i in their menus when playing back the dvds... i know that my projector and player supports both 480i and 480p, i just thought it was odd that the player automatically selected 480p when the original resolution setting was enabled. yes, everything is connected via hdmi.

is it best to view them at native 480i or would deinterlacing/480p be better?

thank you =)

As I said, most TV’s and projectors do not recognize 480i over HDMI, so your player would have defaulted to 480p.

If your projector can throw the 480i just fine i would recommend that. That’s how people in the 90s were watching Voyager & DS9.
 
Never watched Voyager on Netflix, but compared to Paramount+ the DVD quality is probably better. However, I've found that if I increase sharpness, color contrast and noise reduction on my TV, Voyager on P+ looks considerably better.
 
While I can't speak from experience considering my lack of DVD, I will say that the quality of VOY on Netflix is... pretty bad. I'm sure it could be worse, but it's still bad. I wouldn't be at all suprised if a DVD was better.
 
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