Voyager in the nuTrek universe

[Thinkey]

I've been thinking about this the past couple of days...what would voyager look like, set in the same time as primevoyager, in the nutrekverse?

How would the characters be different? How would circumstances play out?

Also, is there any good fanfic out there addressing this? (that i'd like to get a hold of)

 

[BillJ]

I've been thinking about this the past couple of days...what would voyager look like, set in the same time as primevoyager, in the nutrekverse?

How would the characters be different? How would circumstances play out?

Also, is there any good fanfic out there addressing this? (that i'd like to get a hold of)

I would think the 24th century would look much different in the Abramsverse. The alternate timeline will continue to diverge from the Prime Universe and will get to a point where it is unrecognizable when compared to the Prime universe.

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan. We have the introduction of technology that shouldn't be in use for another 129 years. So even if there is a U.S.S. Voyager that gets pulled to the Delta Quadrant, technology may have advanced to a point where it'll only take a few weeks, days or hours for them to return home.

And if you go by the non-canon Countdown, Borg technology has been introduced to the Federation close to a hundred years before their first encounter.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan.

Tuvok was born on Vulcanis Lunar Colony. Not Vulcan itself. FWIW.

 

[BillJ]

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan.

Tuvok was born on Vulcanis Lunar Colony. Not Vulcan itself. FWIW.

I thought Vulcan had no moons?

 

[SilentP]

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan.

Tuvok was born on Vulcanis Lunar Colony. Not Vulcan itself. FWIW.

I thought Vulcan had no moons?

Thought it's perhaps grasping at straws, it could be that that it's a lunar colony of a planet 'Vulcanis' rather than Vulcan, or that it's just one of the first lunar colonies inhabitied by Vulcans, therefore being called 'Vulcanis'?

 

[Anwar]

We saw a huge planetary body or two around Vulcan in TMP. That line about Vulcan not having moons never made any sense.

And maybe Vulcanis is the moon of another world and they called it Vulcanis?

 

[Frazzled]

Yes but even if all his ancestors were alive, and its possible some were on vulcan itself, the events would be so shocking and life changing that they'd be very unlikely to continue and make babies, ie Tuvok, at exactly the same time as before. Their lives would be different. even if his parents still got together it would be a different sperm and egg, if that's not too graphic for this board.

same goes for anyone whose parents were in starfleet eg Janeway, her dad's career would be so different he may not have met her mum, or even if he did they'd do things at different times.

The maquis are another issue again .. would they even exist at all, would Cardassia be considered such a threat in the same way? So Janeway wouldn't've been chasing Chak through the badlands.

 

[Anwar]

I tend to believe in the Farscape theory of tampering with the timeline: If you get things as close as you can to the way they were originally, time will naturally find a way to re-align itself to how things are supposed to be.

 

[Agent Richard07]

^ Right. Eventhough the timeline was changed, the original crew of the Enterprise still managed to get toghether.

As for Tuvok, it doesn't matter where he was born. If someone wants to reimagine Voyager and include him, he'll be there.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan.

Tuvok was born on Vulcanis Lunar Colony. Not Vulcan itself. FWIW.

I thought Vulcan had no moons?

It could be somebody else's moon. Heck, it could be Earth's moon for all we know.

 

[crohnie]

The Tuvok issue aside, I'm inclined to agree with Frazzled.

That being said, I do believe that the Voyager characters exist in the Abrams timeline, just maybe not exactly as we know them. We really don't know enough about their ancestors to know what they were doing during the movie.

Maybe they come together and get hurled across the galaxy, maybe not. It's interesting to think about though.

 

[Brit]

A fic writing friend of mine recently posted a story where Voyager and Admiral Janeway deal with a special Romulan refugee from the distruction of Romulas.

Brit

 

[crouteru]

I suppose if Tuvok never existed then Janeway wouldn't have gone to the Badlands looking for him and therefore wouldn't have been pulled into the Delta Quadrant. That is, if Janeway would still become captain of Voyager, or if Voyager ever existed.

 

[propita]

I suppose if Tuvok never existed then Janeway wouldn't have gone to the Badlands looking for him and therefore wouldn't have been pulled into the Delta Quadrant. That is, if Janeway would still become captain of Voyager, or if Voyager ever existed.

Well, as someone posted above, it's possible the Maquis never existed to have been pulled into the DQ either. And maybe (since the Federation was building weapons earlier due to the destruction of Robau's ship AND they have oldSpock) the Cardassians may not have gotten so far as to massacre Chak's planet.

I wouldn't mind seeing a entire re-do in a new direction, a la, "given you know the personalities, what would happen in this situation?"

For instance, so much fanfic has J/C "destined." Would they somehow be together now?

 

[Brit]

For instance, so much fanfic has J/C "destined." Would they somehow be together now?

I don't see why not, if the Cardassian situation hadn't gotten to the point it did, Chakotay would still be in Starfleet and he and Kathryn could have crossed paths anyway. I know of one very long novel length fan fic where they don't get into the Delta Quadrant at all, and it's still very J/C.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

Unless you go to the ridiculous levels of Mirror Universe type coincidence (somehow all of the same characters are together and interacting even though their history is so insanely different), I don't see any way Voyager would be recognizable in the new timeline.

I don't even think it is likely Voyager would exist at all.

 

[Thinkey]

For instance, so much fanfic has J/C "destined." Would they somehow be together now?

I don't see why not, if the Cardassian situation hadn't gotten to the point it did, Chakotay would still be in Starfleet and he and Kathryn could have crossed paths anyway. I know of one very long novel length fan fic where they don't get into the Delta Quadrant at all, and it's still very J/C.

Could you point me in the direction of these fics?

 

[Anwar]

Unless you go to the ridiculous levels of Mirror Universe type coincidence (somehow all of the same characters are together and interacting even though their history is so insanely different), I don't see any way Voyager would be recognizable in the new timeline.

I don't even think it is likely Voyager would exist at all.

It's just as unbelievable that the same crew would all be on the Enterprise with the same ranks and positions. Yet it happened.

Apparently Trek follows Farscape's time theory: If you get things as close as you can to how they were time will re-align itself to be as close to the prime timeline as it can.

 

[freak]

I've been thinking about this the past couple of days...what would voyager look like, set in the same time as primevoyager, in the nutrekverse?

How would the characters be different? How would circumstances play out?

Also, is there any good fanfic out there addressing this? (that i'd like to get a hold of)

I would think the 24th century would look much different in the Abramsverse. The alternate timeline will continue to diverge from the Prime Universe and will get to a point where it is unrecognizable when compared to the Prime universe.

Honestly, Tuvok ever existing in this new timeline is very much in doubt with the destruction of Vulcan. We have the introduction of technology that shouldn't be in use for another 129 years. So even if there is a U.S.S. Voyager that gets pulled to the Delta Quadrant, technology may have advanced to a point where it'll only take a few weeks, days or hours for them to return home.

And if you go by the non-canon Countdown, Borg technology has been introduced to the Federation close to a hundred years before their first encounter.

Oh dear lord I'm getting a headache! The future is the past, the past is the future...I'm seeing double!

 

[Cyke101]

Unless you go to the ridiculous levels of Mirror Universe type coincidence (somehow all of the same characters are together and interacting even though their history is so insanely different), I don't see any way Voyager would be recognizable in the new timeline.

I don't even think it is likely Voyager would exist at all.

Voyager would exist, it would just probably be a different ship.

The reason why so many characters in Trek XI and the ship itself bore such a great resemblance to TOS is because the change in the timeline wasn't that far back in the past (ie, Spock's birthdate is probably the same regardless of the Narada; the Constitution was already in the design phase at the time and simply scaled up b/c of the Narada).

The problem with Voyager is that it won't be 25 years after the time change, but over a hundred years, giving time that much more of a chance to diverge.