Voyager finale question

[asl]

Hi,

Endgame was a confusing episode.

I have wondered how Voyager made it through the transwarp hub without being destroyed by the Borg sphere?

Seven of Nine replies to a question of how long until the nearest conduit exit with '30 seconds away, but it will deposit us back to the Delta Quadrant'.

Then, in the next scene, somewhat magically, Voyager appeared in the Alpha Quadrant. It feels like a connecting scene is missing.

Hope you guys can clear this up.

asl

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

It's a while since I've seen it, but I remember having the impression that they somehow ended up inside the sphere and caused its destruction on entry to the alpha quadrant. I might be mistaken though.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I just looked up the episode page on Memory Alpha. All you appear to be missing is that Janeway orders a course correction. I assume they the intention in the dialogue was to attempt to mislead the viewer into thinking the course correction was to take the next exit, by in fact it was to maneuver Voyager into the aperture of the Borg sphere instead.

 

[MacLeod]

Well I think the line is something along the line of

"Mister Paris, prepare to adjust your heading"

But as others have said it was to try and mis-direct the audiance.

 

[asl]

Well I think the line is something along the line of

"Mister Paris, prepare to adjust your heading"

But as others have said it was to try and mis-direct the audiance.

If this is the case, and after thinking about it I suspect you're right, it was a poorly thought out plot development. I suppose this should not surprise me considering it is Voyager after all.

One more point. If the Borg assimilated the armor technology, surely they assimilated the technology for the new torpedoes. In that case, I don't get why they were so effective against the sphere.

 

[MacLeod]

I'm going to go with because the torpedeo's exploded inside the Borg Sphere. Doesn't matter how good your exterior armour is when you have an internal detonation.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'm going to go with because the torpedeo's exploded inside the Borg Sphere. Doesn't matter how good your exterior armour is when you have an internal detonation.

I would tend to agree with this. Inner structures not being built to withstand high explosives like the outer hull /shields are.

 

[asl]

I'm going to go with because the torpedeo's exploded inside the Borg Sphere. Doesn't matter how good your exterior armour is when you have an internal detonation.

I would tend to agree with this. Inner structures not being built to withstand high explosives like the outer hull /shields are.

Thanks for your opinion. It does sound plausible. This should have been addressed on the show.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

My question is, why did the sphere continue on to the Alpha Quadrant?

It was only chasing Voyager, and once it had "captured" Voyager, why didn't it start finding a way back to the DQ?

Was it shorter/easier to exit near Earth, then re-renter and go back?

 

[RoJoHen]

It was a poorly directed scene. It's not until after the fact that you realize that Voyager's course correction somehow took them inside the Borg sphere. It was an attempt at misdirection, but it wasn't very well executed.

 

[Rarewolf]

The funny thing was back before season 4 - when there was the announcement of a Borg alliance - the moment I heard that I had this crazy idea a Borg cube would arrive in the Alpha quadrant, split up and reveal Voyager in the centre. Wrong about the shape obviously, but not that far off!

 

[MacLeod]

It was a poorly directed scene. It's not until after the fact that you realize that Voyager's course correction somehow took them inside the Borg sphere. It was an attempt at misdirection, but it wasn't very well executed.

Perhaps, but realestically did we expect them not to play safe and end the series with them not getting home? Can you imagine the fan reaction if they had left them in the DQ?

Some might have praised them for being bold others would have lambasted them for not bringing them home. We are a hard lot to please.

 

[asl]

It was a poorly directed scene. It's not until after the fact that you realize that Voyager's course correction somehow took them inside the Borg sphere. It was an attempt at misdirection, but it wasn't very well executed.

Perhaps, but realestically did we expect them not to play safe and end the series with them not getting home? Can you imagine the fan reaction if they had left them in the DQ?

Some might have praised them for being bold others would have lambasted them for not bringing them home. We are a hard lot to please.

I see your point. And, I think for fan closure, Voyager had to get home. But, it should have been done differently.

To play the Borg card again was just meh.

 

[nx1701g]

I'm going to go with because the torpedeo's exploded inside the Borg Sphere. Doesn't matter how good your exterior armour is when you have an internal detonation.

I would tend to agree with this. Inner structures not being built to withstand high explosives like the outer hull /shields are.

Thanks for your opinion. It does sound plausible. This should have been addressed on the show.

We also don't know if the Queen was able to assimilate the data on the Transphasic Torpedoes. The stealth technology and armor were built directly into her shuttle, but it's likely that she didn't have any of the torpedoes aboard. She may've also deleted the computer's database to prevent that information being taken.

 

[MacLeod]

It was a poorly directed scene. It's not until after the fact that you realize that Voyager's course correction somehow took them inside the Borg sphere. It was an attempt at misdirection, but it wasn't very well executed.

Perhaps, but realestically did we expect them not to play safe and end the series with them not getting home? Can you imagine the fan reaction if they had left them in the DQ?

Some might have praised them for being bold others would have lambasted them for not bringing them home. We are a hard lot to please.

I see your point. And, I think for fan closure, Voyager had to get home. But, it should have been done differently.

To play the Borg card again was just meh.

Series do not need to end an a happy note. I can think of several series which had somewhat of a downer ending.

B7 with virtually everyone being killed, and QL in which we learn Dr. Sam Beckett never made it home. Even B5's ending skewed more towards the unhappy ending than happy ending

A well written finalé even if it ends on the unhappy side can work. Sure as I said earlier some fans of the show won't like it but then can be said of any finalé.

 

[asl]

we learn Dr. Sam Beckett never made it home.

This was a indeed sad moment. I really wanted him to get home!

To get back on topic, I think Star Trek is a different breed of show. It carries a mostly positive note. DS9 ended with the defeat of the Dominion, Enterprise finished with what looked like the birth of the Federation (another poorly executed finale).

So, I'm not surprised Voyager got home. I'm just not satisfied with how it happened.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Would it have been more poignant if main characters had to die in the process. Perhaps if Seven had still died making if feel as if Janeway's "temporal meddling" was pointless after all....

 

[asl]

Would it have been more poignant if main characters had to die in the process. Perhaps if Seven had still died making if feel as if Janeway's "temporal meddling" was pointless after all....

Maybe. But it would have had to be done in a meaningful way. Remember Trip's death in the Enterprise finale.

 

[at Quark's]

Can you imagine the fan reaction if they had left them in the DQ?

Some might have praised them for being bold others would have lambasted them for not bringing them home. We are a hard lot to please.

Kim: Captain, I've got good and bad news.
Janeway: "let's hear it, Ensign!"
Kim: "The good news is, we've just learned something important about the spatial distribution of the Borg transwarp hub. The bad news is that we've just learned the hard way that it apparently had exit apertures in the Large Magellanic Cloud, too! "

The end.

That ending would've surprised me

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

What I find most confusing is how come Admiral Janeway breaks all the rules just to save Seven.

Yes, there is a mention of other crewmembers being killed and Tuvok (her oldest and closest friend onboard) having Vulcan Space Madness, though little emphasis was given to those reasons for her taking the action she did--it all seems to centre around Seven.

It really irks me!