Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?

[catshadowsi8]

I have watched Orville and i find the stories are intetesting and well written but the lack of chemistry between the characters is frustrating. Case in point, the episode where Kelly becomes a diety on a planet that winks in and out of our reality while hundreds of years pass for them but only hours for Orville. The story was a little heavy handed but i liked it. However the 'rekindled ' romance between captain and first officer was a huge bust for me. I frankly did not care or maybe i should say i wanted the painful scenes between them to end.

I find the entire crew to be this way. They come off as forced. I also sometimes feel like im watching people read lines. Its odd. I ultimately chalked it up to it being a satirical look at star trek but i stll find it off setting.

Still, its one of very few sci fi shows on right now. As for Discovery I'll watch season 2 and see where it goes. My husband really likes it so there is that. Lol

 

[Refuge]

I have watched Orville and i find the stories are intetesting and well written but the lack of chemistry between the characters is frustrating. Case in point, the episode where Kelly becomes a diety on a planet that winks in and out of our reality while hundreds of years pass for them but only hours for Orville. The story was a little heavy handed but i liked it. However the 'rekindled ' romance between captain and first officer was a huge bust for me. I frankly did not care or maybe i should say i wanted the painful scenes between them to end.

I find the entire crew to be this way. They come off as forced. I also sometimes feel like im watching people read lines. Its odd. I ultimately chalked it up to it being a satirical look at star trek but i stll find it off setting.

Still, its one of very few sci fi shows on right now. As for Discovery I'll watch season 2 and see where it goes. My husband really likes it so there is that. Lol

I know what you mean. There is a love for Trek in The Orville, like it is from a fan. There is even social commentary and I enjoyed it. However, it lacks that chemistry you mention, where you identify at a more human level with the characters. The parody gets in the way.

 

[Josiana]

Second this. Once the conflict b/w Federation and Dominion started in DS9 (the last three seasons or so), the show took a darker turn as the realities of war and its costs to DS9 personnels set in. Yet these seasons were arguably the best seasons within the series, perhaps because they showed despite going through a dark and turbulent challenge from a ruthless alien - which killed hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of Federation officers and citizens - its ideas persisted and finally prevailed.

This is one of the reasons why DS9 is one of my least favourite of the ST series.. I know, I am the abnormal one here. I enjoy Trek for the sense of adventure, morality, and camaraderie between the crew. That is not to say I do not like DS9, I just find it a bit boring sometimes. War and conflict is boring to me. Just like I do not care for action programmes and films (especially the comic book films).

I know with DSC they are trying to reach out to a new audience, by being a bit more dramatic and action-oriented, and there are clearly veteran ST fans that like it as well.. But, the traditional ST format would be even more unique these days when sitcoms are dead and every tv programme is trying to be Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead.

At least the Orville is trying to make up for the gap. There is enough darkness and drama in the real world…

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Voyager Crew, the fat and gray actors of today, can show up in Discovery as their Voyager characters, nearly 20 years later, but from the Admiral Janeway timeline still on the way home where Endgame did not happen.

Also... Rain Robinson, is obviously carrying Futureboy's baby... They had sex in a very uncomfortable place. She doesn't have a time machine to go get child support, but she does have sleeper technology like khan used, so that on the way to Tom, she could easily stop off on Discovery.

 

[Refuge]

More likely to see previous Trek actors including Voyager ones (different characters though) on the Orville. Maybe just maybe Tuvok might have a relative they could introduce on Discovery, someone's never before mentioned relative perhaps.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Voyager characters are more likely to appear in The Picard Show, set in 2399 (they returned to Earth in 2278)

Well... or the next episode of Renegades.

 

[LJones41]

I know with DSC they are trying to reach out to a new audience, by being a bit more dramatic and action-oriented, and there are clearly veteran ST fans that like it as well.. But, the traditional ST format would be even more unique these days when sitcoms are dead and every tv programme is trying to be Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead.

Why? Why, why, why? Why does everything have to be "traditional", "standard" or "familiar" in entertainment today? Why? Why are so many people today afraid of watching something that is different or new? Even if that "something" is a new twist on something that is familiar or old? Why? The traditional ST format would be more unique? Why? How can something that is familiar be unique? There is nothing unique about that to me. That's just playing it safe.

This could be a generational thing. Growing up, I never perceived TOS as campy. I often found it scary and disturbing--in a good way--just like THE TWILIGHT ZONE or THE OUTER LIMITS. The Gorn and the Horta and even Gorgan the Friendly Angel were genuinely threatening by 1960s standards.

I grew up with the TOS in the 70s and early 80s. And yes, there were times when I found it a bit campy and hard to swallow. If I must be brutally honest, I can say the same about all of the Trek shows and movies I have watched.

 

[Discofan]

Why? Why, why, why? Why does everything have to be "traditional", "standard" or "familiar" in entertainment today? Why? Why are so many people today afraid of watching something that is different or new? Even if that "something" is a new twist on something that is familiar or old? Why? The traditional ST format would be more unique? Why? How can something that is familiar be unique? There is nothing unique about that to me. That's just playing it safe.



I grew up with the TOS in the 70s and early 80s. And yes, there were times when I found it a bit campy and hard to swallow. If I must be brutally honest, I can say the same about all of the Trek shows and movies I have watched.

Even Ds9 had its share of campy episodes. How about the one where they're all hopping while singing nursery rhymes?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Or playing baseball on the holodeck...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Even Ds9 had its share of campy episodes. How about the one where they're all hopping while singing nursery rhymes?

Or the one where they go back to Roswell?
Or the one where they play baseball? ...

 

[Discofan]

Or playing baseball on the holodeck...

I hate this one with a passion.

 

[picardjean-luc]

Or playing baseball on the holodeck...

That's actually a fun episode. And Sisko got his balls (and pride) kicked by Odo

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The turnoffs episodes of DS9 for me involved any of Bashir's holo-adventures...

 

[Greg Cox]

Or the one where they go back to Roswell?
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I love "Little Green Men." One of my favorite episodes.

 

[Discofan]

That's actually a fun episode. And Sisko got his balls (and pride) kicked by Odo

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The turnoffs episodes of DS9 for me involved any of Bashir's holo-adventures...

Funny, I remember only one where the adventure in question played any role in the story (IE Our Man Bashir)... Are you sure there is more than one?

 

[Josiana]

Why? Why, why, why? Why does everything have to be "traditional", "standard" or "familiar" in entertainment today? Why? Why are so many people today afraid of watching something that is different or new? Even if that "something" is a new twist on something that is familiar or old? Why? The traditional ST format would be more unique? Why? How can something that is familiar be unique? There is nothing unique about that to me. That's just playing it safe.

Because in a sea of 'edgy and dark-themed war' series, which has definitely taken over all television and film (comic films included), Roddenberry's Star Trek is actually unique. Your argument could have been made in the day of TNG and VOY, when sitcoms were very common. You like dramatic and dark science fiction? You have plenty to choose from now: Black Mirror, the Expanse, the Travellers, Walking Dead/Fear the Walking Dead, West World, Stranger Things, Altered Carbon, Dark, DSC, the 100, Killjoys, the OA, the Man In High Castle, and on and on and on.. Light-hearted episodic science fiction? Doctor Who (sometimes), the Orville, Lost in Space, and Legends of Tomorrow... The Orville is clearly quite popular, so the argument 'traditional Star Trek does not work any more' is obviously moot.

For me, Star Trek always gave this feeling of wanting to be there. I wanted to be a part of the crew. There's good reason why so many astronauts have been inspired by Star Trek. I cannot say I would ever want to be a part of the USS Discovery crew. Maybe Pike will keep Burnham in the brig next season, and the bridge officers will start to act like sensible leaders instead of stroppy children. That would change my thoughts on DSC quite a bit.

 

[Indysolo]

Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?

Yes.

 

[Discofan]

No.

 

[Refuge]

For me, Star Trek always gave this feeling of wanting to be there. I wanted to be a part of the crew. There's good reason why so many astronauts have been inspired by Star Trek. I cannot say I would ever want to be a part of the USS Discovery crew. Maybe Pike will keep Burnham in the brig next season, and the bridge officers will start to act like sensible leaders instead of stroppy children. That would change my thoughts on DSC quite a bit.

I would so not want to be part of any crew Burnham was in! All her tiresome speeches. However there's a real sense of the dark and unpleasant from Season One of Discovery. You mention Pike and with the promos of him and Number One as well as others from his crew, I have a tiny bit of hope for some colour and likeability to be introduced.

 

[fireproof78]

Why? Why, why, why? Why does everything have to be "traditional", "standard" or "familiar" in entertainment today? Why? Why are so many people today afraid of watching something that is different or new? Even if that "something" is a new twist on something that is familiar or old? Why? The traditional ST format would be more unique? Why? How can something that is familiar be unique? There is nothing unique about that to me. That's just playing it safe.

Because of fear. Fear does not always make sense but it is there none the less.

For me, Star Trek always gave this feeling of wanting to be there. I wanted to be a part of the crew. There's good reason why so many astronauts have been inspired by Star Trek. I cannot say I would ever want to be a part of the USS Discovery crew. Maybe Pike will keep Burnham in the brig next season, and the bridge officers will start to act like sensible leaders instead of stroppy children. That would change my thoughts on DSC quite a bit.

I do! I guess that's the difference for me. Despite my misgivings about several crews, there are very few that I would not want to be a part of and that includes VOY. I think there are opportunities to learn and grow in each on, and Discovery is among them ​

 

[Lynx]

This is where I point out again that TOS was full of violence and darkness, especially during its first season. Didn't hurt it one bit.

I must disagree here.

I haven't seen and still don't see the same doom-and-gloom dark scenarios in TOS as I did see in shows like NuBSG, Stargate Universe and current movies.