Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?
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That's a tall order. I'm taking a very I'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it attitude towards this new series. I'm not against it, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.
I would have preferred a story in the future, but I'm ready to judge Discovery on the quality of the scripts regardless of other series.
People are pretty deep into analysis these days, everybody with a keyboard. More so since the end of Voyager. Trying to recapture the past only works for the setting not the mood.
I'm thinking any new Trek is going to reflect our times. We're not in the liberated, challenge the system Sixties or the Eighties I remember with its fashions and color. There is not even the turn of the Century optimism. No wonder Discovery was chosen to be set referenced to the Original. Apparently we want safe and reliable, politically correct and homogeneous .. borderline isolationist. Trying to work adventure into that is going to be a trick.
I'm thinking any new Trek is going to reflect our times. We're not in the liberated, challenge the system Sixties or the Eighties I remember with its fashions and color. There is not even the turn of the Century optimism. No wonder Discovery was chosen to be set referenced to the Original. Apparently we want safe and reliable, politically correct and homogeneous .. borderline isolationist. Trying to work adventure into that is going to be a trick.
Because apparently just having gay, Muslim, trans, Jews, Chinese, African, bisexual, Latin, non-neurotypical, and plain old 'don't romatasize the bigot' characters are the antithesis of 'Adventure.'
A funny view to see in the VOY forum. Which besides Trek's usual bad track record when it came to LGBTQ+ issues, wasn't lacking for diversity in characters or themes. They didn't always pull it off well, but that's also a bit of a Trek tradition.
I thought so too
I am too. It's just reckless speculation on my part, but I grow weary of the constant negativity about a show that hasn't even aired yet.
I truly do not understand this point of view-I'm sorry, but I don't
What is it about TOS that reflects such a negativity, especially for a show that, at the time, was supposed to be optimistic. That was GR's whole point after all, with TOS. That the world wouldn't end up like Fallout universe but that humanity would survive and grow and progress.
The audience's perception of Discovery is probably going to be more dangerous to the show than the actual quality of the show. At least the skeptical ones. A lot of fans think Pre TOS=Boring/Limited and if the slightest thing is off, that may be it for the show.
And I've got to admit, the moment I heard Discovery was set pre TOS, that was my first reaction. Honestly, it going to be hard to feel suspense about humans, the Federation, earth, etc. in danger, when you know how everything ends up anyway. And the era--for some reason, seems drab....
I just want to see something entertaining. Something unexpected, intriguing, wild, crazy sexy, all of it. I'm skeptical but on that basis I'll give Discovery a chance. It may surprise us.
And I've got to admit, the moment I heard Discovery was set pre TOS, that was my first reaction. Honestly, it going to be hard to feel suspense about humans, the Federation, earth, etc. in danger, when you know how everything ends up anyway. And the era--for some reason, seems drab....
I just want to see something entertaining. Something unexpected, intriguing, wild, crazy sexy, all of it. I'm skeptical but on that basis I'll give Discovery a chance. It may surprise us.
I simply don't want it to be 'like' TOS, in the sense that TOS was still a well-intentioned a product of its time.
Trying to purposefully 'do' a modern day Kirk-Spock-McCoy, was how we ended up with Archer-Trip-T'Pol making outright racist jabs at each other. When the former weren't ogling the latter like a couple of dumbasses.
Thankfully, the writers of all of them seemed to eventually decide that things couldn't stay that way. Even McCoy and Spock eventually developed out of it in the 80's movies. Less of the 'stupid human/pointy-eared dickhead,' and more of the 'Stop being an overeactive numbnuts!/No, you stop being an obtuse bastard!'
Otherwise, I'm good. No use worrying. At worst, I'll just watch something else.
Trying to purposefully 'do' a modern day Kirk-Spock-McCoy, was how we ended up with Archer-Trip-T'Pol making outright racist jabs at each other. When the former weren't ogling the latter like a couple of dumbasses.
Thankfully, the writers of all of them seemed to eventually decide that things couldn't stay that way. Even McCoy and Spock eventually developed out of it in the 80's movies. Less of the 'stupid human/pointy-eared dickhead,' and more of the 'Stop being an overeactive numbnuts!/No, you stop being an obtuse bastard!'
Otherwise, I'm good. No use worrying. At worst, I'll just watch something else.
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You said all that not me. Scratching my head..
I think that was many people's first reaction..
Oh, I'm sorry.
Maybe you'd mind defining for yourself what you meant by:
Specific examples of said demands would be nice.
Also: your memories of the Civil Rights movement as fun and 'colour,' is ...flawed. Protesters and lecturers were being fucking burned alive. Gay and trans people were being locked up in droves, either arrested or for being 'ill.' Assassinations were rife. Vietnam was a Blood bath that permanently scarred both soldiers and locals, and nuclear war could kill everyone at any time.
It was 'Exciting' yes, but so is playing Russian Roulette.
Maybe you'd mind defining for yourself what you meant by:
Specific examples of said demands would be nice.
Also: your memories of the Civil Rights movement as fun and 'colour,' is ...flawed. Protesters and lecturers were being fucking burned alive. Gay and trans people were being locked up in droves, either arrested or for being 'ill.' Assassinations were rife. Vietnam was a Blood bath that permanently scarred both soldiers and locals, and nuclear war could kill everyone at any time.
It was 'Exciting' yes, but so is playing Russian Roulette.
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I really think we do live in times where people are withdrawing. Brexit, President Trump wanting a wall. To me that reflects fear, wanting to isolate. I also believe that we are also at pains to walk on eggshells when we speak. I mean look at the way you jumped down my throat for saying "politcially correct and homogeneous.. borderline isolationist". You couldn't wait to fill in the gaps with a kind of angry accusation.
Discovery has to make a show with this kind of audience. It is that mood I find that will make it harder for them. They can set it pre-TOS to try and capture the fame of TOS but to me it was a fearful choice. To boldy go where? In the Trek Universe past?
Discovery has to make a show with this kind of audience. It is that mood I find that will make it harder for them. They can set it pre-TOS to try and capture the fame of TOS but to me it was a fearful choice. To boldy go where? In the Trek Universe past?
That would be because people voting out of Brexit and wanting to 'build a wall' are not 'PC.' 'PC' is the extreme opposite to that.
And here's the thing: people should think before they speak. There is a gap between the brain and mouth for a reason. No one should be censored. But if somone can't deal with being called a bigot, then they should say bigoted things.
And if you don't want people to take the wrong conclusions from what you convey, make sure you know the definitions of the words you choose to write.
Star Trek is meant to be about the 'human' adventure, remember? This is all just part of that.
Although if we could avoid any more 2001 knock offs, that would be swell.
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Context.. "No wonder Discovery was chosen to be set referenced to the Original. Apparently we want safe and reliable, politically correct and homogeneous .. borderline isolationist. Trying to work adventure into that is going to be a trick."
I've read repeatedly that one of the reasons Discovery is set pre-TOS is because of the familiar such as references to the Original apparently brings. A safe and reliable choice. Maybe hoping for the Originals warm and fuzzies or some credibility. Discovery is not based on something independent.. fresh.. NEW. Admit it. Maybe the story telling will be but the setting is just about a spent force.
Star Trek has always reflected in its cast social and.. planetary diversity. TOS went as far as it could with its cast. Don't know what happened during the TNG days but I guess they were a diverse enough lot. DS9 and Voyager have had great casts in my opinion.. and that trend is going to be reflected in 2017 Star Trek too, with the expectations of everybody and their dog, for today's time. I didn't say 'demands' but that is what they are going to be.
I've read repeatedly that one of the reasons Discovery is set pre-TOS is because of the familiar such as references to the Original apparently brings. A safe and reliable choice. Maybe hoping for the Originals warm and fuzzies or some credibility. Discovery is not based on something independent.. fresh.. NEW. Admit it. Maybe the story telling will be but the setting is just about a spent force.
Star Trek has always reflected in its cast social and.. planetary diversity. TOS went as far as it could with its cast. Don't know what happened during the TNG days but I guess they were a diverse enough lot. DS9 and Voyager have had great casts in my opinion.. and that trend is going to be reflected in 2017 Star Trek too, with the expectations of everybody and their dog, for today's time. I didn't say 'demands' but that is what they are going to be.
Yikes.. sometimes we can live a world where some people want PC and some want walls, lol.
Hela if you don't like what I write report it. If you want to use the word bigot as a reason, back it up. But report it.
I didn't call you a bigot. Post proof or retract.
And why the fuck would I report you? What have you done? If 'disagreement' was enough to qualify, we'd have a dead forum.
It's beautiful isn't it? It's supposed to be a moon emerging in a dark space. Fitted my mood today, lol.
I love the idea of an eclipse.. captured.
I'm curious as to how setting a show in post-Dominion War is somehow "independent" since it would be informed by what came before.
There is absolutely nothing, thus far, to indicate that Discovery's story or design will ring nostalgic fuzzies, save for tacit nods. The ship design is already a deviation from even TOS and ENT. Perhaps I'm biased because I have great confidence in Nicholas Meyer, but I think it will be ok.
