If you include the movies
Voyager fans.. are you disappointed about Discovery?
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Yes, but the implication is that "pre-Tos" means identical storytelling. At least, that's how I read it.
Also, there was the comment that Discovery shares the name of the ship from Stargate: Universe when in fact, that ship was the "Destiny." Regardless, sharing a name is not an omen of bad things.
I can understand some people making an association. Would you go on a cruise on a ship named Titanic?
Yes, but I can understand why others would not. So, your point is well made.
*cough* V'ger *cough*
My mistake. Destiny was the name of the SGU ship, not Discovery.
Still, I lost interest in Discovery as soon as I found out that it's gonna be a pre-TOS series.
I read the implication that pre-Tos is trying to ride the coat tails of something done to death.. Doesn't bode well for its success. How many ancestors does Spock have? Do we really need to know about Kirk's Dad, Thor? What has happened to the writers that they are cowering in the shadow of the first series anyway? Who gave the green light to such retarded imagination??
Because that is the era the audiences are most familiar with, including non-fans. TOS era is very much the driving force in merchandising, and the like, that it has a certainly familiarity to it.
Secondly, how do you know it doesn't bode well for success? I'm genuinely curious because there is a lot of information that CBS has that the fans do not that likely informed this decision.
Third of all, Star Trek has lived in its past since TWOK. As much as I like the Kelvin universe films and feel like they were a nice breath of fresh air, they still clung on to that formula of villain seeks revenge. I do believe that is one of the chief complaints against those films.
Finally, since we don't know what the plot is, why is there the theory that it's about George Kirk, or more of Spock's ancestors? I mean, Sarek, yeah, but he's known person, not like T'Pol is Spock's grandmother or something.
tl:dr TOS era is safe and familiar.
You know what they say about familiarity? It breeds contempt.
I keep coming back to the collective success of TNG DS9 and Voyager. Twenty one seasons of audience and interest. They are like three big elephants in the room! Oh I don't know maybe just a hint that they can generate something more.. It is sheer short sighted nonsense to ignore their place and that timeline.
I keep coming back to the collective success of TNG DS9 and Voyager. Twenty one seasons of audience and interest. They are like three big elephants in the room! Oh I don't know maybe just a hint that they can generate something more.. It is sheer short sighted nonsense to ignore their place and that timeline.
But, those series are also associated with a decline in ratings, which means the confidence is not there. Even my mom, who is no science fiction fan, knows Kirk, Spock and that era. She would not recognize TNG era as "Star Trek." Similarly, my wife doesn't like most science fiction, but she enjoyed the Kelvin era films, because she was familiar with Kirk and Spock enough to have a general idea.
It may sound shorted sighted, but guess what? It's not our money to gamble with. It's CBS deciding to try this and take a financial gamble that may not pay off. It's easy to cast judgement upon them when it isn't my money, but I can understand their perspective in terms of testing the waters with something has familiarity across several generations, as well as fans and non-fans.
You'll find examples for all of that. My mom doesn't like science fiction, doesn't care for Kirk et al, but she loves TNG because Picard is so awesome.
Fair enough. i've just heard more re. Kirk and Co, as well as see the CBS marketing side of things that they will go with something with a strong history to support this launch.
Hmmm well there's already been this selective analysis of ratings as a basis. I kind of think if you compare The Original in its 'original' form and the ratings it achieved then TNG DS9 and Voyager are winners. They found an audience to sustain them, The Original didn't in its time. One has to layer on re-runs and animations to stuff the numbers.
I'm not so sure how it will be received. If one is hoping that those who have a cultural association with say Kirk and Spock are to be catered for.. well I would be wary of that assumption. If that is who they know they may not embrace Discovery because it won't have the exact same characters, dropped names in the scripts or not. There are plenty of actual fans who have outgrown TOS.
I don't envy them. If established shows are ripped to bits this one has to have the good will.
I'm not so sure how it will be received. If one is hoping that those who have a cultural association with say Kirk and Spock are to be catered for.. well I would be wary of that assumption. If that is who they know they may not embrace Discovery because it won't have the exact same characters, dropped names in the scripts or not. There are plenty of actual fans who have outgrown TOS.
I don't envy them. If established shows are ripped to bits this one has to have the good will.
I think TOS already comes with the goodwill built in, at least from CBS' point of view.
It's also a matter of looking outside the fan base to draw in viewership.
And no show managed that as well as TNG. The least action-heavy and most liberal show of them all.
Perhaps DSC will bring the TNG sentiment to the pre-TOS era?
