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Voyager as larger ship

Memory Alpha has a list of all the extras shown on Voyager. Their crew complement is evidently much bigger than 141.
I did a research on this and I did find out that Voyager had at least 184 crewmembers when it arrived to the Delta Quadrant.

The result of my research can be viewed at the Kes Website under the link "Crew list". :techman:
 
I can't remember what episode it is, but in Astrometrics they have a list of crew who died at some point on the journey, on where there were a ridiculous number of Commander's and Lieutenant Commander's for a ship with only 141 crew--especially when the original First Officer was a Lieutenant Commander.
 
Plus plenty of in-jokes.

The result of my research can be viewed at the Kes Website under the link "Crew list". :techman:

What is the list based on?

Individual extras that are seen in the show or names that are mentioned?
 
Plus plenty of in-jokes.



What is the list based on?

Individual extras that are seen in the show or names that are mentioned?
1. Characters in the show, such as Dalby, Chell, Gerron, Henley, Rollins, Tal Celes, Hogan etc
2. Names on characters mentioned in the series and at the Memory Alpha site, such as Baytart, Darwin, Larson, Nicoletti etc.
3. Characters Participating in and mentioned in the season 1-3 Voyager books, such as Hoffman, Bereyt, LeFevre, Berggren, Assink, Lyssa Campbell etc.
 
1. Characters in the show, such as Dalby, Chell, Gerron, Henley, Rollins, Tal Celes, Hogan etc
2. Names on characters mentioned in the series and at the Memory Alpha site, such as Baytart, Darwin, Larson, Nicoletti etc.
3. Characters Participating in and mentioned in the season 1-3 Voyager books, such as Hoffman, Bereyt, LeFevre, Berggren, Assink, Lyssa Campbell etc.
Did you consider including the characters from Elite Force? That'd take the crew up by another 10 or so.
 
Did you consider including the characters from Elite Force? That'd take the crew up by another 10 or so.
To be honest, I haven't even thought about it yet.
Which is a bit strange since I actually have the game and like it.
But it's a good idea to include them so I might do it in the near future.

I must also state that my list isn't complete in any way. So far my list is only a suggestion.There are probably characters from Voyager books written after Kes's "departure" who aren't in the list since I don't know about them. But I will add those I'll find. I mean 140, 184 or 200 crewmembers doesn't matter that much if there is a possibility to make a realistic list by adding those who are mentioned from time to time (including the Elite Force crew) ;)

I've also dabbled with pictures of extras without name showing up in the series, naming them after book characters. That project is far from complete but I might add it to the website's crew list in the future.
 
It's a very interesting project Lynx. I did a little research into the EF characters and you don't just have the Hazard Teams but there are a few other shipboard crewmembers who are named. After looking at it I was tempted to dust off my copy and play it through again.
 
I can't remember what episode it is, but in Astrometrics they have a list of crew who died at some point on the journey, on where there were a ridiculous number of Commander's and Lieutenant Commander's for a ship with only 141 crew--especially when the original First Officer was a Lieutenant Commander.

Plus plenty of in-jokes.

Imperfection. I believe the ha ha's Hux is referring to are the names of West Wing characters sprinkled in the display.
 
Imperfection. I believe the ha ha's Hux is referring to are the names of West Wing characters sprinkled in the display.
I now remember reading that somewhere. I assume it was funny to the people making it, it's irksome to me, hehe.
 
Actually, I was thinking of "Killing Game" and the crew manifest.

Lieutenant Brannon Braga etc.
 
I did a research on this and I did find out that Voyager had at least 184 crewmembers when it arrived to the Delta Quadrant.

The result of my research can be viewed at the Kes Website under the link "Crew list". :techman:

This is OT, but I really love your site. It's beautifully nostalgic in its style and appearance and reminds me of the old days when Star Trek sites pretty much comprised the web. Fanfic sites, sim groups, animated gif galleries, midi sites. There'd even be the occasional LCARS-themed site, the development of which was an epic pain at the time. Those really were the days. (sigh)

On topic, if Voyager were larger, I don't think it would have impacted their journey all that much because, as so many others have pointed out, the writers made the ship largely resource-independent. So what would the larger size mean in real terms? Not much I think.

The biggest change I could see would be to the overall concept of the show. Voyager was sent after the Maquis ship because it's fast, small, and agile. A larger ship -- or even a small older larger ship -- would be much less likely to be able to navigate the Badlands or survive a dogfight with a Maquis raider. Just look what happened to the Excelsior-class Malinche, and that skirmish happened in open space.

So if Voyager were larger, the original mission profile would have been different, and we probably wouldn't have gotten any Maquis characters on the show, which might have made the first season or two a bit more palatable as the writers wouldn't be trying to manufacture conflict quite so obviously.
 
Yeah after having a quick look at the list and from certain episodes it looks like the crew is quite top heavy for its size (original crew mainly) too many lt commanders and lt's. What I guess does not really help is that voyager was pretty bad in the first season at keeping ranks like Tuvoks sudden apparent demotion from lt commander to lt, along with the fact that Chakotay wore lt commander pips but was never once referred to as such it was always commander, every other lt commander we have seen on screen as a main character have been referred to as both Commander or Lt Commander in the appropriate situations.
 
This is OT, but I really love your site. It's beautifully nostalgic in its style and appearance and reminds me of the old days when Star Trek sites pretty much comprised the web. Fanfic sites, sim groups, animated gif galleries, midi sites. There'd even be the occasional LCARS-themed site, the development of which was an epic pain at the time. Those really were the days. (sigh)

On topic, if Voyager were larger, I don't think it would have impacted their journey all that much because, as so many others have pointed out, the writers made the ship largely resource-independent. So what would the larger size mean in real terms? Not much I think.

The biggest change I could see would be to the overall concept of the show. Voyager was sent after the Maquis ship because it's fast, small, and agile. A larger ship -- or even a small older larger ship -- would be much less likely to be able to navigate the Badlands or survive a dogfight with a Maquis raider. Just look what happened to the Excelsior-class Malinche, and that skirmish happened in open space.

So if Voyager were larger, the original mission profile would have been different, and we probably wouldn't have gotten any Maquis characters on the show, which might have made the first season or two a bit more palatable as the writers wouldn't be trying to manufacture conflict quite so obviously.
Thanks for nice comments on my website! :bolian:
 
I believe the whole odd number of lt and lt commander and such was all due to the maquis crew. And the maquis were supposed to be primarily officers who went out on their own... it ties in with suddenly having so many officers on a ship.
And voyager being larger... the point of the show was "the lone tiny ship lost far from home in a galaxy far far away with no hope of getting home"
 
+100000000 This.

When you think about it, Voyager is supposed to be 344 meters long, or 1130 feet, that is 200 feet shy of a 1/4 mile. Voyager is also 15 decks tall (rounding up, 10 feet per deck when you count ducts and conduits, 150 feet tall, at least), which is about a 15 story building. That is significantly larger than the TOS Enterprise, and as long & tall as a Nimitz class carrier (which is crewed by about 6000 personnel, BTW).

Voyager is fricking HUGE!
And a crew of about 150. It would be pretty empty and quiet on that thing for the most part.
 
I believe the whole odd number of lt and lt commander and such was all due to the maquis crew. And the maquis were supposed to be primarily officers who went out on their own... it ties in with suddenly having so many officers on a ship.
And voyager being larger... the point of the show was "the lone tiny ship lost far from home in a galaxy far far away with no hope of getting home"
I always got the impression that the Maquis were field commissioned as Crewmen unless, like Chakotay, they had previously served in Starfleet--therefore having the "necessary" experience and training.

As for "lone tiny ship", space is vast. A few wide camera shots of Voyager as little more than a speck in the blackness of space would've added to the sense of isolation and vulnerability, no matter what size of ship she was.
 
rmember the length can be considered to be messed up if you take the shape of the saucer into consideration.

If you take in the actual usable space,,,, It should be roughly similar or even less to the TOS enterprise.
 
Yesterday I found a page at the Memory Beta website where all Voyager characters mentioned in books were listed.

So my "Crew list" page on the Kes Website will undergo an update in the near future.

Since I wasn't aware of many of the names on the list and since I've planned to include the Elite Force members too, there is a risk that the number of crewmembers will increase to more than 200.

Which means that the statement about 140 crewmembers was false, probably desinformation from the Federation Security Service. :)
 
if you peace episodes together, do you consider the "alternate universe" "parallel dimensions" episodes to be correct in names?
 
^^
I'm not sure exactly what you're meaning here.

As for parallel dimensions, alternate universes and such, it depends on how close they are to the actual truth. I don't consider Barclay as a crew member due to his appearance in "Projections". Nor do I consider Lord Burleigh, Flotter or The Doctor's family in "Real Life" as crewmembers.
 
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