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Volcanic ash cloud cripples Britain, apparently...

Someone correct my ignorance here, but I heard on the news an anchor say why everybody's question of "Why don't we jsut fly around it?" was because the radar can't detect the cloud or some such, and here I am thinking: what's that BIG FUCKING WINDOW the pilots have in front of them for? You can't see the BIG FUCKING CLOUD of smoke and FLY AROUND it? The volcanic ash particles that would get sucked in, aren't EVERYwhere -- other countries are still flying nearby.
It's not visible. Other countries have grounded their aeroplanes today as the cloud has reached Europe. Also, how can someone get quite so angry from a position of quite such startling ignorance?
Have you ever read any of his other posts? ;)
 
TBH I'm only aware of him in the thread bombs thread where he refuses to be downhearted.
 
Eighteen hundred and froze to death

:eek: Hope you enjoy the June snow and the July and August river ice, New Englanders. It happened not so long ago.


THE YEAR WITHOUT A SUMMER

1816, IN MAINE
By Lee-Lee Schlegel

MONTHS THAT SHOULD BE SUMMER’S PRIME
SLEET AND SNOW AND FROST AND RIME
AIR SO COLD YOU SEE YOUR BREATH
EIGHTEEN HUNDRED AND FROZE TO DEATH
--------------------------------------------------------------
1771 REUBEN WHITTEN 1847

SON OF A REVOLUTIONARY SOLDIER,
A PIONEER OF THIS TOWN, COLD SEASON OF
1816 RAISED 40 BUSHELS OF WHEAT ON THIS
LAND WHITCH KEPT HIS FAMILY AND
NEIGHBOURS FROM STARVATION
( Tombstone in an Ashland, N.H. cemetery)
 
.Global cooling: What happens if the Iceland volcano blows

The potential eruption of Iceland's volcano Katla would likely send the world, including the USA, into an extended deep freeze.

"When Katla went off in the 1700s, the USA suffered a very cold winter," says Gary Hufford, a scientist with the Alaska Region of the National Weather Service. "To the point, the Mississippi River froze just north of New Orleans and the East Coast, especially New England, had an extremely cold winter.

It's a good thing we are both well stocked up on food and other survival essentials. :shifty:
Party at Jadzia's house!
 
Most of Germany's airports are closed now, too, except for the south, and will remain so until Saturday evening. So, I guess Merkel and Köhler have to take the train or share a car to attend Lech Kaczynski's funeral.
Apparently, John Cleese is taking a taxi to get from Oslo to Brussels. That must be quite a trip. :lol:
 
Someone correct my ignorance here, but I heard on the news an anchor say why everybody's question of "Why don't we jsut fly around it?" was because the radar can't detect the cloud or some such, and here I am thinking: what's that BIG FUCKING WINDOW the pilots have in front of them for? You can't see the BIG FUCKING CLOUD of smoke and FLY AROUND it? The volcanic ash particles that would get sucked in, aren't EVERYwhere -- other countries are still flying nearby.

Airliners fly too fast to use visual flight rules. In a potential collision situation, an opposing airliner could go from hiding behind a spec on the windshield to unavoidable in seconds. Air Traffic Control must be responsible for their separation, which means IFR, which means pilots are not free to fly where they choose.

Now, if the ash cloud were visible---which it isn't, I guess---then you might be able to get a picture of where it is based on PIREPs and ATC could route planes accordingly. But it would still be a dicey situation.

Flying below 8000 isn't an option because that's where all the general aviation traffic is. The ATC problem would be horrendous, trying to keep the jets off the Cessnas' asses. In general jets spend very little time below 18000 in the US; I imagine it's similar elsewhere.
 
The Scottish island hoppers kept running but that's because they're prop aircraft and fly below the ash (which is at 18,000 ft). The long distance aeroplanes fly well above this height which meant they would have had to fly through the ash belt to gain the correct cruising altitude.
 
Eighteen hundred and froze to death

:eek: Hope you enjoy the June snow and the July and August river ice, New Englanders. It happened not so long ago.


THE YEAR WITHOUT A SUMMER

The eruption which led to that year without a summer had a VEI (Volcanic Explosive Index) of 7, corresponding with between 100 - 1000 cubic kilometers of ejecta.

This current Icelandic eruption (as far as online sources are informing me) so far has a VEI of 1, corresponding with around 10,000 cubic metres of ejecta. So it's unlikely to have any significant impact on climate.

There is some concern that it may continue spewing out ash for months though, which could mean that planes will be grounded for that long, and the VEI (and environmental impact) may rise with that.

There is a concern of sulphur dioxide and fluorine causing toxicity to animals that ingest vegetation that has become impregnated with it. Apparently, this is a typical after effect of eruptions.

There is also additional small concern that underground stresses could trigger an eruption at nearby volcano Katla, which would cause much melting of glacial ice, and flooding nearby land.
 
From what I understood it was the potential eruption of Katla if the lava melted the glaciers on top of it that could cause an 1816 repeat.
 
I remember when Mount St Helens erupted. Air and passenger car traffic were halted, and the environmental idiots came out of the woodwork, stating how the ash cloud was blasted so high that the Earth's weather would be affected for decades, giving us a glimpse of what Nuclear Winter would be like unless the US and Soviet Union disarmed.

Yeah, that weather disruption lasted a long time :rolleyes:

Nothing to see, folks. And remember Krakatoa!
 
Yup - saw one this morning from the east coast of the U.S. Astoundingly brilliant red. It will be that way for a while I figure.
 
It takes a hell of a lot more fuel for jets to fly lower than 8000 feet due to the atmosphere being a lot denser than at 55,000 feet.

I have never been on a plane that flew at 55,000 feet. :lol:

And this volcano is no where near as strong as the ones a few hundred years, however this is how the planet levels itself off. There is global warming, it's a nature thing, humans just aren't helping, and nature wil correct itself, but we might all die when that happens.

Weren't there particularly red and vivid sunsets in the eastern US for about four years following Krakatoa?

Yes and the sunsets have been "ehh" recently.
 
Just in case someone's interested...

This is a screencap from a couple of minutes ago:

flights.jpg

And this is where you go live: http://www.flightradar24.com/
 
Well, it seems this situation could persist for a few days to some extent. Meanwhile, our Chancellorette got stranded in Lissabon on her way back from the USA and the soldiers wounded in Afghanistan Thursday only got to Istanbul instead of home.
 
Our Queen had to go by train in order to visit the Queen of Denmark's birthday.
Knowing the (NS) National Railway, I hope she gets there in time!

And the only way off the British Isles is by train. It must be busy there!
 
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