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Violent Protests in Baltimore

Is the violence by Baltimore Protestors Justified?


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A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is accused of a crime and then immediately killed without benefit of a full and fair trial. This includes show trials, but is usually understood to mean capture, accusation, and execution all conducted during a very short span of time relative to the severity of the punishment. Summary executions have been practiced by police, military, and paramilitary organizations and are frequently associated with guerrilla warfare, counter-insurgency, terrorism, and any other situation which involves a breakdown of the normal procedures for handling accused prisoners (either civilian or military).

If that does not qualify than another word could be used to describe an officer killing a person who assaulted him or her: homicide.
 
The biggest thing America could do to end police brutality is end the war on poverty and the war on drugs.

I'm sure we'd be fascinated to hear what's subsumed in the phrase "war on poverty" and how ending it would diminish police brutality.

The war on drugs, OTOH, is being used to effectively disenfranchise large numbers of people. It's not solving the drug problem, but it's working pretty well to maintain the racist power structure.

The "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty" have done nothing but keep poor people poor. The traditional family unit is virtually non existent in the inner cities. Fatherless children grow up to commit crime. That's a societal problem that is loosely related to police overstepping their authority.

The War on Drugs is nothing other than another massive government overreach that takes tax dollars from Americans and puts non violent offenders in privately run prisons. To fight the war on drugs local police departments have created swat teams and heavily militarized the police. This militarized culture of the police has led to a culture among the police that everyone else is the "enemy", not fellow citizens.
 
A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is accused of a crime and then immediately killed without benefit of a full and fair trial. This includes show trials, but is usually understood to mean capture, accusation, and execution all conducted during a very short span of time relative to the severity of the punishment. Summary executions have been practiced by police, military, and paramilitary organizations and are frequently associated with guerrilla warfare, counter-insurgency, terrorism, and any other situation which involves a breakdown of the normal procedures for handling accused prisoners (either civilian or military).

If that does not qualify than another word could be used to describe an officer killing a person who assaulted him or her: homicide.

Self defense?
 
The biggest thing America could do to end police brutality is end the war on poverty and the war on drugs.

I'm sure we'd be fascinated to hear what's subsumed in the phrase "war on poverty" and how ending it would diminish police brutality.

The war on drugs, OTOH, is being used to effectively disenfranchise large numbers of people. It's not solving the drug problem, but it's working pretty well to maintain the racist power structure.

The "Great Society" and the "War on Poverty" have done nothing but keep poor people poor. The traditional family unit is virtually non existent in the inner cities. Fatherless children grow up to commit crime. That's a societal problem that is loosely related to police overstepping their authority.

The War on Drugs is nothing other than another massive government overreach that takes tax dollars from Americans and puts non violent offenders in privately run prisons. To fight the war on drugs local police departments have created swat teams and heavily militarized the police. This militarized culture of the police has led to a culture among the police that everyone else is the "enemy", not fellow citizens.

The War on Poverty wasn't lost. The government simply changed sides.
 
A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is accused of a crime and then immediately killed without benefit of a full and fair trial. This includes show trials, but is usually understood to mean capture, accusation, and execution all conducted during a very short span of time relative to the severity of the punishment. Summary executions have been practiced by police, military, and paramilitary organizations and are frequently associated with guerrilla warfare, counter-insurgency, terrorism, and any other situation which involves a breakdown of the normal procedures for handling accused prisoners (either civilian or military).

If that does not qualify than another word could be used to describe an officer killing a person who assaulted him or her: homicide.

Self defense?

The standards for justifiable homicide are quite rigid:

A homicide can only be justified if there is sufficient evidence to prove that it was reasonable to believe that the offending party posed an imminent threat to the life or well-being of another. To rule a justifiable homicide, one must objectively prove to a trier of fact, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the suspect intended to commit violence. A homicide in this instance is blameless and distinct from the less stringent criteria authorizing deadly force in stand your ground rulings.
 
A summary execution is a variety of execution in which a person is accused of a crime and then immediately killed without benefit of a full and fair trial. This includes show trials, but is usually understood to mean capture, accusation, and execution all conducted during a very short span of time relative to the severity of the punishment. Summary executions have been practiced by police, military, and paramilitary organizations and are frequently associated with guerrilla warfare, counter-insurgency, terrorism, and any other situation which involves a breakdown of the normal procedures for handling accused prisoners (either civilian or military).

If that does not qualify than another word could be used to describe an officer killing a person who assaulted him or her: homicide.

Self defense?

The standards for justifiable homicide are quite rigid:

A homicide can only be justified if there is sufficient evidence to prove that it was reasonable to believe that the offending party posed an imminent threat to the life or well-being of another. To rule a justifiable homicide, one must objectively prove to a trier of fact, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the suspect intended to commit violence. A homicide in this instance is blameless and distinct from the less stringent criteria authorizing deadly force in stand your ground rulings.

We're still talking about the guy in Wisconsin correct? Because I'm pretty sure when he was attacking the police officer he was committing an act of violence justifying the use of deadly force.
 
He was mentally incapacitated due to the drugs he had ingested, and no other devices that could have been used to subdue him were tried by the officer.
 
He was mentally incapacitated due to the drugs he had ingested, and no other devices that could have been used to subdue him were tried by the officer.

Sounds like he brought it upon himself. I'll save my outrage for real police brutality. Like the cold blooded murder in South Carolina. Why were there no riots over that one?
 
Why would I want there to be riots? But if there is going to be a riot perhaps it should be for that instance, not in Ferguson where the officer was completely justified in the shooting or in Baltimore where a drug dealer who had been arrested 15 times was killed. Not saying the Baltimore police were justified in killing him, we don't have all the facts on that case yet but it doesn't look good.
 
Why would I want there to be riots? But if there is going to be a riot perhaps it should be for that instance, not in Ferguson where the officer was completely justified in the shooting or in Baltimore where a drug dealer who had been arrested 15 times was killed. Not saying the Baltimore police were justified in killing him, we don't have all the facts on that case yet but it doesn't look good.

:lol:

So you'll only stand up for justice when black people choose a martyr that meets your standards.

I guess you've still forgotten the part where Freddie Gray was arrested while not even under suspicion for a crime.

And thanks for playing the "he was no angel" card with him, too. It's only a matter of time with people who spout the nonsense you do.
 
So you'll only stand up for justice when black people choose a martyr that meets your standards.

I guess you've still forgotten the part where Freddie Gray was arrested while not even under suspicion for a crime.

This is the part that gets lost in all the talk of "idiots" rioting and whatnot.

Freddie Gray was perfectly fine at the moment of his arrest, when he was put into that van.

When he left that van, his neck was broken and his larynx was crushed.
 
I'm sure we'd be fascinated to hear what's subsumed in the phrase "war on poverty" and how ending it would diminish police brutality.

The war on drugs, OTOH, is being used to effectively disenfranchise large numbers of people. It's not solving the drug problem, but it's working pretty well to maintain the racist power structure.

This.

I'm in full and unapologetic favor of ending the failed and idiotic War on Drugs which does nothing but fuel racially-charged sentencing standards and the prison-industrial complex which has led to America jailing more of her citizens than even the one-party communist regime of China, a nation with more than four times our population. It's just politics and some pretty narrow-minded and destructive politics at that, it's not law enforcement.

Ending the War on Poverty is more often than not code for "poor people are sucking off the teat of the government and they're losers who don't deserve help and support for their bad choices in life" and ending safety net programs that help millions keep themselves and their families fed and their bills paid. Rarely is the "we need to end the War on Povery" argument an evenhanded and measured suggestion. It's usually right-wingers with fetishes for social engineering who think that the poor and working class suck and don't deserve to get help and that kind of thinking is just as destructive if not moreso than the War on Drugs.
 
So make the discussion even-handed. :)
How do we "end the War on Poverty" without destroying safety nets and while making sure people are fed and educated?
 
So make the discussion even-handed. :)
How do we "end the War on Poverty" without destroying safety nets and while making sure people are fed and educated?

We don't end the war on poverty.

The war on poverty is different than the war we wage against people in poverty. The latter has to stop.

Quite an upstanding police force they have going in Baltimore...

Lyles then told jurors about another incident: Three weeks after his nose was broken, Lt. Christopher Nyberg and Detective Paul Southard stopped him near his apartment on Moravia Park Road.

The officers ordered Lyles to drop his pants and underwear. He did. They told him to squat and cough. He did — out of fear. Lyles testified that an officer then searched his genitals for drugs and rammed a gloved finger in his rectum.
 
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