Spoilers Vince Gilligan's Pluribus starring Rhea Seehorn

[Guy Gardener]

Oh oh!

What about AI?

If "someone" like Skynet becomes aware and decides to go to war with humanity 2.0, or if "someone" like Skynet had spent a month getting it's shit together to destroy regular humanity for very good reasons, when this Plurabis bullshit upends their grand scheme, and they have to re-access?

 

[Guy Gardener]

I assumed it was un-joined humans. The hive presumably no longer broadcast any radio or TV anymore as there isn't any need... at least until Carol asks for it?

Or maybe he thinks they are being controlled by radio?

The hive may not want to consume media, but they are probably still passionate about wanting to create new media for which the audience is only 13.

 

[KennyB]

I enjoyed episode 1 and the twist.....2 was ok.....3 & 4 are kinda losing my attention..........

 

[The Grinch Doctor]

As promised, we got this week's episode early...and now it's going to be an extra long wait to figure out what Carol freaked out about. Bastards!

Like I said before, Vince Gilligan doesn't do obvious so I think it's safe to say what she saw wasn't a human-shaped seed pod or some other classic sci-fi twist. What, pray tell, could Carol not recognize at first but then suddenly recoil in abject horror? Did the clear mineral used to produce the amber sustenance come from whatever object she discovered? Or am I nowhere near the truth and I'm simply overthinking it?

Heading back to the beginning, Carol finally got her wish and the Others fucked off. What a sequence to behold to watch Albuquerque simply empty out en masse. Careful what you wish for Carol. But at least she's making the best of it with her investigations.

Of course, their abandonment did come with a cost: Wildlife is ready to take over. And, fuck, I freaked out just as much as Carol did when she realized the wolves were going for Helen's grave. I applaud her bravery but she clearly didn't think her reaction through. It's a miracle they didn't go after her. Her realization of how easy it was to release the rifle after the fact (as well as unlocking the handcuff) feels like an on-the-nose metaphor for Carol's bullheaded stubbornness.

I really hope the drone and trash bag becomes the new pizza box on the roof. Just quietly there for the rest of the series. No questions asked.

I'm 99% Patrick Fabian voiced the Others voicemail greeting. Took me only the fourth listen to realize finally why his voice sounded so familiar.

 

[Booji]

Like I said before, Vince Gilligan doesn't do obvious so I think it's safe to say what she saw wasn't a human-shaped seed pod or some other classic sci-fi twist. What, pray tell, could Carol not recognize at first but then suddenly recoil in abject horror? Did the clear mineral used to produce the amber sustenance come from whatever object she discovered? Or am I nowhere near the truth and I'm simply overthinking it?

I figure it's just the dead bodies of people who didn't get body snatched. They had to go somewhere.

 

[trash80]

A bit soylent green?

 

[Guy Gardener]

A bit soylent green?

They said they cannot lie, and that they are vegetarians.

 

[The Grinch Doctor]

I figure it's just the dead bodies of people who didn't get body snatched. They had to go somewhere.

Maybe. But why would that cause such a strong reaction from Carol?

A bit soylent green?

Perhaps I'm putting too much faith into Gilligan, but I really don't think he would do something so obvious.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Maybe. But why would that cause such a strong reaction from Carol?


Perhaps I'm putting too much faith into Gilligan, but I really don't think he would do something so obvious.

A billion people died rather than accept the joining.

Less than one percent of those that perished without sharing everything may have been a weirdo who for some reason was keeping a prisoner confined, with a filtered air supply (An FBI informant locked in a box by a mob enforcer?) that no one else in the world knew about.

 

[The Grinch Doctor]

I'm 99% certain Patrick Fabian voiced the Others voicemail greeting. Took me only the fourth listen to realize finally why his voice sounded so familiar.

Confirmed!

Not only that but Seehorn didn't know about Fabian's cameo until she was filming the episode:

"They were hoping to get some kind of blooper take from me, but I was so terrified to mess up a take," she said. "Not terrified, but I just didn't want to — because I knew it was a long take, too, the first time she hears it."​

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Despite her surprise, Seehorn didn't break. "I don't know which take they actually use, but I think if you got one of those psychologists or psychiatrists that study micro facial muscle changes, I'm pretty sure you could see me go, What? Patrick? But then I tried to cover and play the scene," she said. "They called cut, and I started laughing and ran out and said, 'That's Patrick! You got Patrick!' And they said they'd been sitting on it for a long time, just to screw with me."​

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"Let's face it, even if it wasn't an Easter egg from Better Call Saul, Patrick Fabian does have one of the all-time great voices that I would imagine that the Others would have voted as one of the most soothing voices to be on the outgoing message," said Seehorn, "so I understand the decision."​

 

[Kraig]

They said they cannot lie, and that they are vegetarians.

They can't lie to each other, because they know all the thoughts of those in the collective, so it would be a waste of time. But they could lie to those who aren't part of the collective. Telling Carol they cannot lie, might be only to each other, but the collective could lie to her. How would she know they aren't lying to her?

 

[Guy Gardener]

They can't lie to each other, because they know all the thoughts of those in the collective, so it would be a waste of time. But they could lie to those who aren't part of the collective. Telling Carol they cannot lie, might be only to each other, but the collective could lie to her. How would she know they aren't lying to her?

The point is that there is presently no more "each other" inside the one of them.

The world is one big person and 13 other other little people.

New dark thought...

The next job of the hive, imagine a chain letter pyramid scam, is to send astronauts to all the other worlds where this has happened and trade hive minds, as well as receive visitations on Earth from all the planets where this has already happened to trade hive minds, crisscross apple sauce.

Galaxia.

The problem with that is that without magic imaginary science, the resources required to send one person to another solar system in less than one life time is the sun.

If the hive lives on as one frozen dude in a rocket, it should not care if it's 3 billion bodies on Earth perish in fire and ice?

Or maybe all the infected planets send one rocket to the origin of the infection, even though they probably died off a billion years ago?

 

[King Bob!]

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[trash80]

Nice video though at times i wonder if 2 + 2 = potato

 

[Guy Gardener]

In the Matrix Reloaded, The Architect explained how in the beginning Humanity as a single being in the Matrix stresses out and eventually flips out, if it can't see a way out from the endless drudge, so it needs a Robin Hood to believe in, to make all that toil tolerable.

What if the magnificent 13 with who the new system did not take, are there by design?

Obviously those 13 can't have been chosen by a super intellect to keep it on it's toes, or entertained, but 13 random people were left out, so that the hive would not become bored, lonely and suicidal.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Anyone else hate Laksmi?

"How dare you try to save my son's free will?!"

 

[JirinPanthosa]

A billion people died rather than accept the joining.

Less than one percent of those that perished without sharing everything may have been a weirdo who for some reason was keeping a prisoner confined, with a filtered air supply (An FBI informant locked in a box by a mob enforcer?) that no one else in the world knew about.

They didn't die because they didn't accept the joining, they died because when the joining happened they happened to fall down or crash their car or something.

I don't think Gilligan would go for something as easy as bodies, and also that wouldn't make sense because it's established to be something that appears as a salt and dissolves. Maybe something extracted from bodies like a protein. It would not be in character for it to just be ground bodies but it would be in character if they needed to synthesize more amino acids and they couldn't kill any animals to get the raw materials from the available bodies.

Maybe they need to continuously ingest the RNA sequence, and being unable to kill animals, the hundreds of millions of dead humans are their only source of raw materials.

I'm also curious what animals can be affected by it. So far it seems like other than humans only mice can.

 

[The Grinch Doctor]

Anyone else hate Laksmi?

"How dare you try to save my son's free will?!"

Frustrated? Yes. Hate? Nah.

I do think there's a side of that story we haven't seen yet and at the center of it is the unasked question (by Carol) of "What is it like to be Joined?" This was a major point made by Laskmi, Koumba, and the rest of the Uninfected, a point that Carol steadfastly refused to acknowledge. Until we know the full story, I refuse to judge Laskmi and the others for their stance.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They didn't die because they didn't accept the joining, they died because when the joining happened they happened to fall down or crash their car or something.

I don't think Gilligan would go for something as easy as bodies, and also that wouldn't make sense because it's established to be something that appears as a salt and dissolves. Maybe something extracted from bodies like a protein. It would not be in character for it to just be ground bodies but it would be in character if they needed to synthesize more amino acids and they couldn't kill any animals to get the raw materials from the available bodies.

Maybe they need to continuously ingest the RNA sequence, and being unable to kill animals, the hundreds of millions of dead humans are their only source of raw materials.

I'm also curious what animals can be affected by it. So far it seems like other than humans only mice can.

I did phrase that poorly, but that's par for the course with me.

I should not have said that anyone chose to reject the process with their will, but just that because of the slapdash peculiarities in trying to infect 4 billion people in one day, therefore unfortunately a number of the chemical reactions were sub optimal, leading to death.

Nothing traumatic happens to Helen, carol's Girlfriend, like being dragged to the Delta Quadrant by Caretaker, she even accepts the joining, but her body was incompatible with the process, and shat the bed.

They said under perfect monitored supervised conditions that the upgrade is fairly risk free and %100 communicable, but dropping a billion tons of hastily mixed chemicals from 10 thousand planes in one day means there are going to be a fair number of sub optimal reactions and transformations as hardly any one is receiving exactly the right dosage to get along fine with the program, as well as what ever semitoxic allergen additives were necessary to get that stuff to fall out of the backside of an airplane, and still be effective 40 thousand feet later.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Frustrated? Yes. Hate? Nah.

I do think there's a side of that story we haven't seen yet and at the center of it is the unasked question (by Carol) of "What is it like to be Joined?" This was a major point made by Laskmi, Koumba, and the rest of the Uninfected, a point that Carol steadfastly refused to acknowledge. Until we know the full story, I refuse to judge Laskmi and the others for their stance.

If the kid is needed for a mission, or dies or has an accident, or is busy nearby for less than an hour, so the group decides to send in a different surrogate to keep her happy, so there's this other child, the wrong child, but with all her kids memories, who tries to placate her about stories from their development, which will most probably turn Laskmi into a bitter homicidal super-Carol.

My assumption is that she had to deal with a death in the before times, and did not handle it well at all. Maybe another child, or did we see her spouse?