Villains in this new show
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I am now loving the idea that, despite all logic of how we might things *should* work, EMINEM is actually Future Guy somehow.
Any of the below (or a combination therof)
The Talosians
Gary Mitchell (or someone else with his powers)
Balok
Salt Vampires
An insane Dr. Van Gelder
Charlie (or someone else with Thasan powers)
The Romulans
Either the Commander from Balance of Terror or the Commander from The Enterprise Incident as recurring antagonists
Khan
An Augment Civilization on the Federation's border (either established by the Botany Bay or later Augments).
Landru
The Klingons (Kang, Koloth or Kor as recurring antagonist).
The Gorn
Vaal
V'Ger
A Vulcan splinter faction lead by Sybok.
Q
The Ferengi
The Conspiracy Parasites
The Borg
The Sheiliak
The Husnock
The Talarians
The Cardassians
The Talosians
Gary Mitchell (or someone else with his powers)
Balok
Salt Vampires
An insane Dr. Van Gelder
Charlie (or someone else with Thasan powers)
The Romulans
Either the Commander from Balance of Terror or the Commander from The Enterprise Incident as recurring antagonists
Khan
An Augment Civilization on the Federation's border (either established by the Botany Bay or later Augments).
Landru
The Klingons (Kang, Koloth or Kor as recurring antagonist).
The Gorn
Vaal
V'Ger
A Vulcan splinter faction lead by Sybok.
Q
The Ferengi
The Conspiracy Parasites
The Borg
The Sheiliak
The Husnock
The Talarians
The Cardassians
Wasn't that the Cardasians?
I was on staff for a "virtual" t.v. series online that lasted five years (a spinoff of BTVS). What many considered our best season was the fourth, in which the Big Bad was (as one fan put it) the best intentions of a bunch of very good and able people. Without going into details, the overwhelming danger proved to be simply a mistake.
That is what I'd like to see.
That is what I'd like to see.
Is that not the Borg?
Starfleet Civil War!
The Federation President illegally dismisses the Commander-in-chief of Starfleet following a policy dispute. The C-in-C refuses the dismissal and the possibility of resignation and publically urges the President to resign.
The President appoints a temporary C-in-C (some unknown Admiral) but this is ruled an illegal appointment by the majority of Starfleet. Earth is shutdown from all forces loyal to the C-in-C, as they retreat to Alpha Centauri (whose government have grown increasingly anti-Federation).
Mass arrests and detainment on Earth of any forces loyal to the C-in-C as the President's Starfleet begins the process of building up its armaments and taking back systems surrounding Alpha Centauri, choking off the C-in-C Starfleet's support network. The C-in-C himself begins to show signs of severe stress at being labelled a traitor and villain as he builds up a massive fleet with the intent of taking back Earth and deposing the President.
Amidst this backdrop of a once-peaceful Federation brought into chaos, a lone Captain takes his or her ship to navigate the politics of both sides in order to somehow bring this crisis to an end.
Doing the Borg right would require changing their MO. Overt invasion is problematic because it pushes the "unstoppable" issue - they either can be defeated, or they can't. Change the MO to covert ops: small craft that warp in from a distant colony, snatch ships or space stations, then disappear. So they might be unbeatable en masse, but our heroes will never know.
If they do invade, it's insidious and mysterious, the long-term threat of a nanite plague spreading through the Federation, rather than lumbering zombies with laser guns for arms.
If you're going to bring the Borg back (an idea which I'm really opposed to in the first place), it might be more interesting to actually have them realize that if the goal is to better themselves that flesh is ultimately weak. Make them be a technological menace, not zombies, not necessarily robots per se, but something that is bigger and badder and more menacing then ever faced before. Maybe while the "Collective" takes the memories, knowledge and experience from the humans, it utilizes the individual as a battery for their needs. This can be, like the idea of Borg nanoprobes, both a biological and a technological virus, but one that could conceivably overtake an entire ship and harvest its crew in seconds. That's one way to make the Borg scary again.
What I don't want to see in terms of "villains' are some hyped-up militaristic version of Space Nazis or Space Zombies or Space Mongols or Space Samurai or Space Vikings, etc.
Just as I desperately hope we won't see a brilliant lunatic/fanatic out to destory the Federation and/or our crew.
Just as I desperately hope we won't see a brilliant lunatic/fanatic out to destory the Federation and/or our crew.
I want the borg back but I'd make them weaker and easier to defeat, no magical adaptation to every weapon, no personal shields, both drones and borg ships would be as vulnerable as other ships. The entire unbeatable force of nature thing really doesn't work because if the heroes don't beat them the show's over.
During the best of both worlds tension was created by kidnapping Picard and making the audience question if he'd survive or not, no one believed for a second that the enterprise would be destroyed or that earth would be assimilated but losing Picard was a real possibility.
The borg should not be a threat to entire species, only to individuals. Their only goal would be to gather information, they wouldn't assimilate large groups of people to get more drones, they have no need for that. If they came across the Enterprise they'd try to access the computer and download every bit of information for example or they'd try to maybe assimilate a few people like the captain, tactical officer, an engineer or an anthropologist (whatever they're interested in that week) but they would ignore random crewmen as long as they don't interfere. I'd also make assimilation non reversible, once you're a borg you're a borg, even if your borgified body is killed your consciousness has been uploaded and remains part of the collective forever.
During the best of both worlds tension was created by kidnapping Picard and making the audience question if he'd survive or not, no one believed for a second that the enterprise would be destroyed or that earth would be assimilated but losing Picard was a real possibility.
The borg should not be a threat to entire species, only to individuals. Their only goal would be to gather information, they wouldn't assimilate large groups of people to get more drones, they have no need for that. If they came across the Enterprise they'd try to access the computer and download every bit of information for example or they'd try to maybe assimilate a few people like the captain, tactical officer, an engineer or an anthropologist (whatever they're interested in that week) but they would ignore random crewmen as long as they don't interfere. I'd also make assimilation non reversible, once you're a borg you're a borg, even if your borgified body is killed your consciousness has been uploaded and remains part of the collective forever.
Not a bad idea. If the idea will be to make the new Star Trek "current," then a enemy who doesn't use ships and super weapons. Depict a Federation with a policy of open borders, easy transportation, and a philosophy of taking in anyone who wants in.
Then show the problems.
The New Essentialists get a lot more radical.
Some not mentioned earlier.
Exo III or Mudd's World Androids.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
The Tholians
The Breen
Section 31
The Tzenkethi
The Suliban (With or without a 'future guy')
Exo III or Mudd's World Androids.
Harcourt Fenton Mudd
The Tholians
The Breen
Section 31
The Tzenkethi
The Suliban (With or without a 'future guy')
They change their name to The New Radicals. Their slogan is 'You only get what you give'.
I'm going to resurrect this topic, because I have some further thoughts:
I think I want Star Trek to move away from civilizations being villains, I want more individualized villains, make a Romulan commander a compelling long term bad guy, rather then just the Romulan Empire are the villains and calling it a day, an individual villain is more compelling then a just an evil civilization (the main except of course, being the original concept for the Borg). Trek should move away from the civilization of bad guys trope it falls into sometimes and show the wide variety of individuals in this civilization.
Also I think there should be a main villain who drives some of the narrative forward, he or she doesn't have to be in every episode, but he should drive a lot of events, like Dukat did in DS9. I also don't want any more villains who are just jerks, were they have no real redeeming qualities, but never do anything truly evil. The Ferengi started that way and you had a sort of corrupt Hospital administrator in Voyager who bit that bill, neither of those villains were very compelling, they are just lame straw man for the Federation to knock down rather then compelling villains in their own right. Either have a villain that is sympathetic or if you are trying to condemn something, do it in the strongest way possible and have a horrifying villain show why some things are just wrong.
Frankly I think the villains should be rivals in the exploring game, trying to claim resources and get allies before the Federation and use them against the Federation, that makes exploration more dangerous and exciting, IMO.
You can have both a really sympathetic and a really evil villain, like having a very honorable Romulan commander working for a psychopathic Caligula like Praetor or having the Praetor be tough, but wanting what is best for his people and have a Commander serving under him who is only interested in power and willing to do anything to gain more power for himself.
I think I want Star Trek to move away from civilizations being villains, I want more individualized villains, make a Romulan commander a compelling long term bad guy, rather then just the Romulan Empire are the villains and calling it a day, an individual villain is more compelling then a just an evil civilization (the main except of course, being the original concept for the Borg). Trek should move away from the civilization of bad guys trope it falls into sometimes and show the wide variety of individuals in this civilization.
Also I think there should be a main villain who drives some of the narrative forward, he or she doesn't have to be in every episode, but he should drive a lot of events, like Dukat did in DS9. I also don't want any more villains who are just jerks, were they have no real redeeming qualities, but never do anything truly evil. The Ferengi started that way and you had a sort of corrupt Hospital administrator in Voyager who bit that bill, neither of those villains were very compelling, they are just lame straw man for the Federation to knock down rather then compelling villains in their own right. Either have a villain that is sympathetic or if you are trying to condemn something, do it in the strongest way possible and have a horrifying villain show why some things are just wrong.
Frankly I think the villains should be rivals in the exploring game, trying to claim resources and get allies before the Federation and use them against the Federation, that makes exploration more dangerous and exciting, IMO.
You can have both a really sympathetic and a really evil villain, like having a very honorable Romulan commander working for a psychopathic Caligula like Praetor or having the Praetor be tough, but wanting what is best for his people and have a Commander serving under him who is only interested in power and willing to do anything to gain more power for himself.
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