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Vikings--Bates Motel second seasons....

A Duke? Damn, pretty nice title to be granted to an invader, as opposed to him just taking it. I'm not really up on Norman history as to when it actually *became* Normandy. That makes sense that it takes its name from "north men." All of English and northern European history from that time on is pretty fascinating. Is Robert of Normandy (father of William the Conqueror) a descendant of Rollo's? If so, our Rollo is pretty much an ancestor of all the Norman kings....Henry I through Henry VIII. Edward I through Edward VI. Rollo must have really gotten around. :D
 
Dorian Thompson said:
A Duke? Damn, pretty nice title to be granted to an invader, as opposed to him just taking it. I'm not really up on Norman history as to when it actually *became* Normandy. That makes sense that it takes its name from "north men." All of English and northern European history from that time on is pretty fascinating. Is Robert of Normandy (father of William the Conqueror) a descendant of Rollo's? If so, our Rollo is pretty much an ancestor of all the Norman kings....Henry I through Henry VIII. Edward I through Edward VI. Rollo must have really gotten around. :D
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Yes, Rollo of Normandy is the direct forebear of Robert and William. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollo
 
Dorian Thompson said:
A Duke? Damn, pretty nice title to be granted to an invader, as opposed to him just taking it. I'm not really up on Norman history as to when it actually *became* Normandy. That makes sense that it takes its name from "north men." All of English and northern European history from that time on is pretty fascinating. Is Robert of Normandy (father of William the Conqueror) a descendant of Rollo's? If so, our Rollo is pretty much an ancestor of all the Norman kings....Henry I through Henry VIII. Edward I through Edward VI. Rollo must have really gotten around. :D
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As I understand it, Rollo was made a Duke on the promise he would stop other Northmen from attacking Frankish territory.
 
Nerys Myk said:
Dorian Thompson said:
A Duke? Damn, pretty nice title to be granted to an invader, as opposed to him just taking it. I'm not really up on Norman history as to when it actually *became* Normandy. That makes sense that it takes its name from "north men." All of English and northern European history from that time on is pretty fascinating. Is Robert of Normandy (father of William the Conqueror) a descendant of Rollo's? If so, our Rollo is pretty much an ancestor of all the Norman kings....Henry I through Henry VIII. Edward I through Edward VI. Rollo must have really gotten around. :D
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As I understand it, Rollo was made a Duke on the promise he would stop other Northmen from attacking Frankish territory.
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Vikings raided Frankish territory almost as much as they raided Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. The sagas tell that Ragnar himself raided Paris a few times. After a while, the Franks got really tired of it and just gave one group of Vikings, led by Rollo, some land in Northern France, and it became Normandy. The condition was indeed that they would stop raiding Frankish territory and protect it from other Vikings raiders. It was about 160 years before the Norman conquest.
 
He was made a Duke and given Charles III's daughter, Gisela, in marriage if that article Gov Kodos cites is correct. Damn. :eek:

It shows what different kind of lives they lived and how political the marriages were. People thought so differently about life. Can you imagine giving your daughter in marriage to an enemy commander as part of a deal to stop a war? Royal princesses grew up with that being considered normal. Henry V married Catherine of Valois, the daughter of a later French king, even though England and France were at war--all part of an arranged deal. Henry VIII's sister Margaret was married to the king of Scotland to help stop the conflict between the two nations. Henry VII was married to Elizabeth of York to cement the end of the War of the Roses between Henry's Lancastrian house and Elizabeth's Yorkian family.

Gee honey, I know that viking's been raiding our lands and killing our people, but you wouldn't mind so much bearing his children so we all can get along, right? Life was bizarre. :wtf:
 
Dorian Thompson said:
He was made a Duke and given Charles III's daughter, Gisela, in marriage if that article Gov Kodos cites is correct. Damn. :eek:

It shows what different kind of lives they lived and how political the marriages were. People thought so differently about life. Can you imagine giving your daughter in marriage to an enemy commander as part of a deal to stop a war? Royal princesses grew up with that being considered normal. Henry V married Catherine of Valois, the daughter of a later French king, even though England and France were at war--all part of an arranged deal. Henry VIII's sister Margaret was married to the king of Scotland to help stop the conflict between the two nations. Henry VII was married to Elizabeth of York to cement the end of the War of the Roses between Henry's Lancastrian house and Elizabeth's Yorkian family.

Gee honey, I know that viking's been raiding our lands and killing our people, but you wouldn't mind so much bearing his children so we all can get along, right? Life was bizarre. :wtf:
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Many of the European Monarchs on both sides in WWI were cousins of varying degrees. So those sort of diplomatic marriages were happening until fairly recently.
 
We got a glimpse of that sort of thing in the show last season with the arranged marriage of the former earl's daughter.
 
Athelstan must have the world's most pronounced case of Stockholm Syndrome. Though it's fascinating to see him hold his own in a fight, this bond between him and Ragnar can't last. Or maybe it can. :lol: I liked that the Old English really sounded like Old English, which sounded very Germanic phoenetically.

Siggy, what are you up to, you minx? I don't judge her for sleeping with Horik (it's not like Rollo's put a ring on it ;) ) but I have to wonder if she's trying to get Ragnar out of King Horiks' good graces so that Rollo can become a prominent ally to the king rather than being the pawn of that treacherous Jarl Borg. Siggy really has lost everything. Her husband, her position, her two sons to murder, her daughter to the plague and her protector Lagertha to Ragnar's roving eye. I feel sorry for the character.
As far as Aslaug goes, if he does it with you, he'll do it to you, honey. :cool::cool:
 
Yeah, the old English was a nice touch...English spoken as a foreign language with subtitles. Kinda reminded me of the pidgin-English version of Vulcan that was used in TMP.

I love Siggy, that Magnificent Bitch. I was surprised to learn last season that she was Claire's mom on Heroes...I never would have placed her.
 
Indeed. Norman's got the crazy ladies of all ages coming after him now. :alienblush: Excellent curve ball with the Bradley character. Me likey.

I'm more convinced than ever that Dylan will end up dead at Norman's hands when all is said and done, or end up dead at the hands of the police because he's somehow blamed for Norman's crimes. How else can Norman end up alone running the motel and not be under arrest? Dylan is the prerequisite "good" character (at least by the standards of this universe). Staying away from Bradley so as not to upset Norman and all. Trying to pay rent to Norma. Poor guy is sooooo not going to live to see thirty. :rofl::rofl: He's too likable to survive the series.
 
I think Dylan is supposed to be Emma's love interest this season, and Norman is getting a new love interest himself (some hard-edged party chick). So both Dylan and Emma are getting a bad end most likely.
 
Really? That could actually work. Emma is also a "good" character, so to speak. She and Dylan might get along. Yeah, I can see both her and him coming to a bad end with them both caring about Norman so much. It's logical that Dylan might ask her if she's seen Norman black out since she works at the hotel. Dylan's seen it because he remembers Norman trying to cave in his skull for having Norma as "the whore" on his phone and then Norman didn't remember when Dylan mentioned it in a later episode. I wonder what mamma Bates will think about that pairing. :lol: She'll be none too pleased to see Bradley skulking around her precious younger son. She and Dylan don't have that incest vibe going on so maybe she won't care. :guffaw:

Olivia Cooke is English, too, right? Not just Freddie Highmore?
 
Damn. Here I was, thinking that Vikings had invaded the Bates motel, and then I find out the OP started a thread about two separate shows.
 
Dorian Thompson said:
He was made a Duke and given Charles III's daughter, Gisela, in marriage if that article Gov Kodos cites is correct. Damn. :eek:

It shows what different kind of lives they lived and how political the marriages were. People thought so differently about life. Can you imagine giving your daughter in marriage to an enemy commander as part of a deal to stop a war? Royal princesses grew up with that being considered normal. Henry V married Catherine of Valois, the daughter of a later French king, even though England and France were at war--all part of an arranged deal. Henry VIII's sister Margaret was married to the king of Scotland to help stop the conflict between the two nations. Henry VII was married to Elizabeth of York to cement the end of the War of the Roses between Henry's Lancastrian house and Elizabeth's Yorkian family.

Gee honey, I know that viking's been raiding our lands and killing our people, but you wouldn't mind so much bearing his children so we all can get along, right? Life was bizarre. :wtf:
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Girls were considered (and in some cultures still are) the less desirable child and unlikely to provide income to your family so in order to 'get rid of that mouth' you had the dowry where the family taking in the daughter through marriage would receive goods/money from the family marrying the daughter off.

When it comes to royals the daughters (and sometimes sons) were seen as pieces to use to establish ties with other factions or other nations. It was MUCH more widespread in some Asian cultures like China and Korea(especially when each nation was split up into separate smaller kingdoms within the current boundaries).

Besides the death-rate, I think one of the reasons why so many Korean/Chinese Kings/Emperors had such large harems was to have a supply of children to marry off, or foster off in another country (something which was also common in European royalty as well)
 
the G-man said:
Damn. Here I was, thinking that Vikings had invaded the Bates motel, and then I find out the OP started a thread about two separate shows.
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It is a bit confusing, especially as I don't watch Vikings but I do watch Bates Motel. :p
 
You should watch both. They're pretty good.

I didn't know Vera Farmiga could sing. Norma seemed so sad in that scene. I gotta wonder what her brother has in store for her. He's probably around because he thinks she has money now. No good is going to come of this. Especially if certain familial connections are what we the audience suspect they are. I'm sure I needn't elaborate fruther.
 
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