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View of USS Newton and USS Defiant

I really like that black Defiant. I wonder what a black Federation ship would look like on-screen?

That would be cool actually if some starships were outfitted with their own version of a cloaking device (or maybe a primitive iteration of one). Its hull starts off a typical white or gray but then with the press of a button the ship camoflages jet black. The only visual tip off its there is a dark spot in the midst of a starfield. It would only work in specific situations (not while flying in front of close-by planets or stars or in nebulas, etc.) and only if the enemy or who-ever isn't looking for them (or looking too closely). The ship powers down and then drifts towards its target at a lower speed until its within range.
 
Bad analogy. B-17's aren't around anymore in war because they lack several critical technologies deemed necessary for combat roles (cabin pressurization, jet engines) and several which are obsolete (manned gun stations, ballistic armor).
And were not suitable for upgrades to these technologies, which is my point. Furthermore, even if they WERE capable of sustaining the upgrades, a more capable platform already exists that makes the upgrade pretty much a waste of time. It would be more efficient to build more F-16s or even upgrade some F-4s; in the Starfleet analogy, it doesn't make sense to upgrade a Miranda class with 24th century technology when more modern designs for the same mission role already exist; it makes even less sense to build a brand new Miranda class to new modern specifications.

A Miranda (or Excelsior, the exact model doesn't matter) uses the same basic warp technologies as a Galaxy.
DOES it? We don't even know this for sure, only that both are equipped with warp engines. If the fundamentals of the technology are that interchangeable, then the Akira class might as well be a refitted NX-01.

And it still leaves the question of why OTHER designs from the same era are out of service. The Constitutions, for example, could fill some of the same mission roles as the Mirandas and Constellations (and maybe even some of the Excelsiors) and yet have completely vanished by the 24th century. This is difficult to reconcile with the existence of modern designs in the exact same niche, notably the Nova and Intrepid class vessels, which would immediately render the old designs redundant (or else what would be the point of building them in the first place?).

The more likely scenario would involve a kind of modularity, maybe starships with double hulls where internal modules can be swapped out within the same outer hull, and then the outer hull gets swapped out to change the ship's external appearance despite the interiors remaining the same; change the impulse engines every ten years, warp engines every twenty years, weapons every twenty five and reactor core every thirty. You'd end up with a flying ship of theseus that can last a hundred years and continue to change as it continues to be upgraded (like the Essex class ships from WWII). But by no means would you expect to see--in 1985--an Essex class carrier that looks the same as it did forty years earlier, and the same should be true of starships. If the Miranda class is still in service in the 24th century, I wouldn't expect it to look ANYTHING like the 23rd century version except with the same basic hull shape and the original registry number; basically, it would be a dead ringer for the Nebula class except smaller and without the engineering pod.

Starfleet has infinite resources? Since when?
Semantics. You don't really need infinite resources. Just enough to economically sustain both the old ship and the new in both roles (which may be different if the new ship supplants the old in its primary role) without sacrificing something.
That's alot more than semantics. If you have enough to sustain both, then dropping the one necessarily enhances the capabilities of the other. The resources spent on sustaining an old Excelsior could also be spent on BUILDING a new Intrepid. This, mind you, is one of the reasons the Iowa class battleships are no longer in service despite their many weapon and technology upgrades.
 
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After 9/11 the USS Abraham Lincoln spent almost a year at sea, including several weeks of high intensity operations in support for the Afghanistan invasion.

In fact, IIRC, they were on their way back to homeport and got turned around to go to Afghanistan.

Actually, the USS Abraham Lincoln was in port. The USS Enterprise was the carrier that was headed home and turned around.
 
After 9/11 the USS Abraham Lincoln spent almost a year at sea, including several weeks of high intensity operations in support for the Afghanistan invasion.

In fact, IIRC, they were on their way back to homeport and got turned around to go to Afghanistan.

Actually, the USS Abraham Lincoln was in port. The USS Enterprise was the carrier that was headed home and turned around.

I stand corrected.
 
Homes, yes. Other things, not so much. Cars, planes, trains, trucks, boats, things that have to MOVE from place to place, these seldom last more than a few decades and even then only with really intense maintenance and upkeep. Homes can last for a couple of hundred years, sure, but only because they don't have to do anything but sit there and passively deal with the elements day after day.

But terrestrial vehicles ALL have moving parts and, as you say, are exposed to the elements.

None of that applies to starships in the Trekverse. No critical moving parts, far more advanced metals, and much less weathering.
 
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Homes, yes. Other things, not so much. Cars, planes, trains, trucks, boats, things that have to MOVE from place to place, these seldom last more than a few decades and even then only with really intense maintenance and upkeep. Homes can last for a couple of hundred years, sure, but only because they don't have to do anything but sit there and passively deal with the elements day after day.

But terrestrial vehicles ALL have moving parts and, as you say, are exposed to the elements.

None of that applies to starships in the Trekverse. No critical moving parts, far more advanced metals, and much less weathering.

No critical moving parts? We know this for sure? I think not. Actually I think some of those older vessels very likely use rankine-cycle turbines as part of their power conversion cycle (since there are few ways to siphon high temperature plasma and efficiently convert it into electricity).
 
So i just noticed the 'defiant' class in the film.as the fleet is about to jump to warp,pike says set course for vulcan. sulu then swings round in the chair and replies aye aye captain.as sulu finishes saying this, the ship is slighty to the right,directly above the console between chekov and sulu.and as a bonus there is a 3 nacelled ship for a comparison.its at around the 40 min mark

nm.the ship dosent have the rollbar :( feel like a moron
 
B-52's spend most of their time in hangars because they have no one to bomb right now. Carrier's spend half the year in port for the same reason. It is not because neither isn't capable of sustained operations.

Have you ever actually been in or studied the military whatsoever? You seem to have idea about maintenance and training requirements let alone family time for people on them.
 
I myself can't imagine why a spacecraft with deflector shields and structural integrity fields couldn't last indefinitely, provided refuelling. Why not? Refit 'em as required when new technology comes along, or redefinetheir role to suit their old technology if you don't, a la B-17s doing coastal patrol in the 70s. That's logical enough.

Mirandas in service during the whole DS9 time would tend to support that idea.
 
Hey all - this thread was last updated only a month ago, so I'm hoping it doesn't qualify as a zombie, but now that the DVD and Blu-Ray of the new movie has come out, I'm curious if anyone has done a full screen cap of the pic with all the new ships on it? I'm itching for some ship porn!
 
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Me too.

Now that we can do some blowups and zoom-ins at home we might be able to make out more details on some of the more vague starships.

I know the one with the massive saucer section we see floating in the orbital debris over Vulcan is the USS Mayflower/NCC-1620 based on what I've gleaned on a couple of major fan sites in recent weeks, but has anyone been able to make out any other registries or shapes since you got your discs?
 
Hey all - this thread was last updated only a month ago, so I'm hoping it doesn't qualify as a zombie, but now that the DVD and Blu-Ray of the new movie has come out, I'm curious if anyone has done a full screen cap of the pic with all the new ships on it? I'm itching for some ship porn!
Have you checked the HD Screen Caps On-Line @ TrekCore! thread?

I perused through them quickly and, while they are nice, they only seem to have caps of the actual movie. IIRC, the pic containing the Defiant and others was a part of the Special Features section, pics of which don't seem to be a part of that batch, unless I missed something. It should simply be a single still image of the ship orthos.
 
Hmmm...no confirmation if this thing even exists on the discs? Is this thing vaporware?

What you want isn’t on the dvd, it’s on page 59 from “The art of the film”.
Some small top and side views of the Newton, Armstrong, Mayflower and… Excelsior.

No scale given besides identical views of the enterprise.
 
Hmmm...no confirmation if this thing even exists on the discs? Is this thing vaporware?

What you want isn’t on the dvd, it’s on page 59 from “The art of the film”.
That's interesting, because a brief glimpse of the drawing with the Newton and Defiant was seen in the DVD/Blu-Ray preview video that was released during Comic-Con. I would have figured that it would turn up as part of the Starships featurette on the Blu-Ray set, or somewhere in the documentary feature.
 
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If the Miranda class is still in service in the 24th century, I wouldn't expect it to look ANYTHING like the 23rd century version except with the same basic hull shape and the original registry number; basically, it would be a dead ringer for the Nebula class except smaller and without the engineering pod.

Unless you remove whatever's inside (the warp cores had to fit in the nacelles somehow) and put the new stuff inside. I remember some cop drama show had a criminal who put a powerful sports car engine in a normal van.
 
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