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ViacomCBS Selling Simon & Schuster

Some comments on here assume ViacomCBS corporate cares enough about to whom the licensed work is contracted to that they would make the call to terminate the existing contract.

Good point.

It would be an odd choice, as someone who has actually worked for a corporation and then had my division sold off, our contracts continued and nothing like that was done. Now, when that contract comes up, who knows, but for corporate to step in like that would be pretty strange and not as easy as people in this thread are making out.

I come at it from a different perspective because one of my early jobs was working for what was called "asset options" in my then company. This was a benign name for the asset stripping and generally all round nasty business we would do when buying and selling SBUs.
 
Barring CBS buying out the novels contract (ie., paying S&S to relinquish it), yes. S&S will have the right to publish Star Trek novels until their contract expires in a few years.

Couldn’t they have a built-in out in the contract?
 
Even if they call it canon, like some did Countdown, it won't be.

Nobody actually did call it that. The guy who runs TrekMovie interviewed Roberto Orci and browbeat him into saying it was canon until he finally gave in and agreed just to shut the guy up, and then Orci walked it back in the comments hours later. But that was all it took for a stupid rumor to take off and thrive in blithe contempt for the facts.


The Last Jedi contradicted a couple of things from tie-in media before the new "canon" was even 5 years old.

Mmm? Like what? I'm not at all surprised, but I'm curious.
 
Of course they can. It's ridiculous we're entertaining some fairytale notion where they can't. They openly break contracts with third parties (like yesterday), so they'll do it here in a heartbeat. And as I said, it's already happened.

It would take one of the writers in this forum maybe 30 seconds to WhatsApp their S&S and/or CBS rep, and find out for themselves. Please then relay the message here.
What exactly are you saying has "already happened"? Are you saying that Viacom has already revoked the Star Trek fiction license from S&S? Be specific. Show your work.
 
Couldn’t they have a built-in out in the contract?
There could be a clause that would allow CBS to void the contract, sure. Some sports contracts have them; there's the famous case of the Yankees voiding Aaron Boone's contract because he violated its terms by playing pick-up basketball which resulted in an injury. I can't really imagine, though, what sort of behavior on S&S's part would result in triggering a void clause like that. S&S would probably have to be acting in bad faith in some way or doing something to actively damage the brand.

There is the example, come to think of it, of Activision lawsuit against Paramount close to twenty years ago to void their licensing agreement for Star Trek games, and they argued that Paramount was acting in bad faith. Activision had a point; they paid a lot (eight figures, IIRC) for the rights to make Star Trek computer and video games, and Paramount's refusal to approve anything was actively preventing Activision from recouping the licensing fee. It resulted in a financial settlement for Activision (refunding the licensing fee) and a voiding of the contract.

So, it's possible that CBS could try to void S&S's licensing contract. If they did, it would probably go to arbitration, and there would probably be a refund to S&S of some prorated amount of the licensing fee. But I really don't see why CBS would want to void the contract. While S&S has the license, there are Star Trek books for sale on a steady schedule, acting as free advertising for the franchise. If they voided the contract, there would be a period of time, probably 18 months at a minimum, where they would lose the free advertising of the books. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it makes any sense to do it.
 
What exactly are you saying has "already happened"?
ViacomCBS/Viacom/Nickelodeon Consumer Products have given another publisher rights to do novels like the ones you write based on Star Trek.

Are you saying that Viacom has already revoked the Star Trek fiction license from S&S? Be specific.
They "revoked" whatever exclusivity agreement S&S had in place. It's already gone.
 
ViacomCBS/Viacom/Nickelodeon Consumer Products have given another publisher rights to do novels like the ones you write based on Star Trek.

They "revoked" whatever exclusivity agreement S&S had in place. It's already gone.
What publisher? In what territories?

Cross Cult has the right to publish original Star Trek novels — in the German language, for sale in the German market.

Are you asserting that another North American publisher has been granted World rights to acquire and publish original, English-language prose-fiction Star Trek novels? Or that ANY other publisher has been granted permission to infringe on S&S's World English publication rights for Star Trek novels?
 
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It would take one of the writers in this forum maybe 30 seconds to WhatsApp their S&S and/or CBS rep, and find out for themselves. Please then relay the message here.

Chances are, nobody knows anything yet. Again, we're talking about a hypothetical sale that hasn't even happened yet. For the time being, S&S has not changed hands. When it does . . . then we'll see what happens.

Que sera sera.
 
Nobody actually did call it that. The guy who runs TrekMovie interviewed Roberto Orci and browbeat him into saying it was canon until he finally gave in and agreed just to shut the guy up, and then Orci walked it back in the comments hours later. But that was all it took for a stupid rumor to take off and thrive in blithe contempt for the facts.

That's why I used the word "some", but you are right I should have been clear that no one official considered it canon. No one at Paramount ever considered it canon, and we all knew better. The fact it was completely ignored shows it wasn't.

Mmm? Like what? I'm not at all surprised, but I'm curious.

Someone mentioned the most famous example, where The Last Jedi contradicted when Rey and Poe met which had already been established. The novelization for The Rise of Skywalker outright contradicts events in the film as well, so I'm curious how that will be handled when it released in a couple of weeks. There have also been problems in the comics, though I don't really remember the details.
 
Someone mentioned the most famous example, where The Last Jedi contradicted when Rey and Poe met which had already been established. The novelization for The Rise of Skywalker outright contradicts events in the film as well, so I'm curious how that will be handled when it released in a couple of weeks.

They met in the novelization of TFA. I think that's an ok 'error', all things considered.

I have a copy of TRoS (from C2E2) and I haven't noticed any outright contradictions.
 
Nobody actually did call it that. The guy who runs TrekMovie interviewed Roberto Orci and browbeat him into saying it was canon until he finally gave in and agreed just to shut the guy up, and then Orci walked it back in the comments hours later. But that was all it took for a stupid rumor to take off and thrive in blithe contempt for the facts

I remember that article. I was a poster on Trekmovie at the time and it was a bit shocking to me to read the article. Even back then I had known canon was only what was on screen. And I remember Bob Orci posting there later that he misspoke.

Anthony Pascale usually did ok with his articles. In his defense I think he just got a bit overexcited and got carried away. He shouldn't have, but it happens. And Orci cleared things up later on.

But for Star Trek I don't think it's ever been ambiguous. Canon is on screen. End of story. Maybe Star Wars had a bit more grey area at one time (I don't follow them as closely but have heard about things like different levels of canon and so forth), but they've learned that even in their case it's what's on screen.

And canon is not the same as continuity (a trap I'll admit I fall into myself). If the current shows want to include tie ins in their continuity they are certainly free to do so, but they are not bound to do so. They seem to want more internal consistency with the tie ins but that won't stop them from writing something inconsistent with a tie in if they feel it's necessary, as they did with "Desperate Hours"

And again, for fans, we don't even need to worry about canon. We've been told that. Only tie in writers have to worry about it, and only because they have to follow the canon in their own works. For fans, it's a non issue. For years I followed the litverse continuity and considered it part of the continuing story of TNG, DS9, etc. I never let it not being canon stop me. The only difference is because of Picard I have to treat it as an alternate reality/timeline.

As far as the contract goes. The original poster seems to at least think they have insider information that they are teasing out. But as Greg Cox has noted, until I see something actually change I'm not sweating it. Viacom is selling S&S, we know that. Star Trek is a small piece of that very large pie. I'm sure a profitable one, one that S&S I imagine they would like to keep since they have a build in fan base. I'm finding it hard to believe Viacom is going to sell S&S and rip the Star Trek contract away from them. What benefit would there be. Viacom is getting out of publishing--I would think they'd want to leave things as is with S&S, at least until the contract is up. A potential buyer may like that Star Trek tie ins are part of the package going in and it could be a selling point for them.

And if Captain Xavi is sharing insider info that he's not supposed to, well, hope you don't lose your job over it if you're discovered. But call me a skeptic.
 
Couldn’t the case be that CBS/Viacom are considering each series separate in terms of licensing? While they’ve generally licensed Star Trek as a singular entity, the new films have been treated as a separate license in some instances and DS9 and Voyager were licensed separately for comics publishing in the ‘90s.
 
Couldn’t the case be that CBS/Viacom are considering each series separate in terms of licensing? While they’ve generally licensed Star Trek as a singular entity, the new films have been treated as a separate license in some instances and DS9 and Voyager were licensed separately for comics publishing in the ‘90s.
The novel rights for TOS, TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent, Dis & Pic are seperate licenses, however, Paramount/CBS have given the licenses to S&S altogether. But back in 1995, Paramount could’ve easily have given the Voyager novel rights to Random House or HarperCollins. But they chose to go with S&S to keep all the series together.

But I’ve got to wonder what other “big publisher” is apparently trying to get the rights for Trek novels, the question is what for? They would be splitting the already niche market and it wouldn’t make business sense unless they could have an exclusive for all the Trek series.
 
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