Spoilers V'Draysh

[Eric Bean]

After the first episode I did not think that Discovery was going to revisit "Calypso". After the second episode, my mind has changed. Anyone have any solid theories on if it will connect back?

Also, is there a "good" faction and an "evil" faction of the Federation out there roaming the galaxy?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole V'draysh thing is Craft.

Obviously, to him, the V'draysh are the enemy. So it just begs the question, WHY?

Craft seems like a decent enough guy. If his people are fighting the V'draysh, they probably have a good reason. And for my OWN good reasons, I hate the thought of the Federation becoming evil. That, to me, defeats the whole POINT of the Federation.

So I can't say I like where they're going with this, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

That said...

Spoiler: Calypso

Obviously, "Calypso" takes place a thousand MORE years in the future, because in it, the Discovery has been abandoned for that long without a crew - which is obviously not the case in the 32nd century. I guess a lot can happen in that intervening time. I just hope it's nothing too apocalyptic...

 

[fireproof78]

Anyone have any solid theories on if it will connect back?

The short answer is no. And, since the time period is far removed its hard to say if there is any reason for it to connect in.

 

[Dukhat]

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole V'draysh thing is Craft.

Obviously, to him, the V'draysh are the enemy. So it just begs the question, WHY?

Craft seems like a decent enough guy. If his people are fighting the V'draysh, they probably have a good reason. And for my OWN good reasons, I hate the thought of the Federation becoming evil. That, to me, defeats the whole POINT of the Federation.

So I can't say I like where they're going with this, but I'm trying to keep an open mind.

That said...

Spoiler: Calypso

Obviously, "Calypso" takes place a thousand MORE years in the future, because in it, the Discovery has been abandoned for that long without a crew - which is obviously not the case in the 32nd century. I guess a lot can happen in that intervening time. I just hope it's nothing too apocalyptic...

Spoiler

Unless the crew sends the ship back to the 23rd century empty and hides it in the nebula. But why they would do that is beyond me.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I don't see how they can do that. The robo-suit is no more, and they don't have any time crystals left.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not like there are not a dozen ways to time travel. If time travel is illegal then there must be some way to police it so the tech is out there somewhere. Don't just need time crystals.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'm still suspecting that "Calypso" was written well before anyone knew what Season 3 was really going to be. So, the "V'draysh" notwithstanding, they may have no idea how to reconcile the two.

I mean, how many times has DSC changed showrunners between now and then? Who knows what kind of plot threads may have been abandoned.

 

[Kelso]

Working theory: Georgiou takes the Discovery back in time so she can star in Section 31 and then programs the ship to hide out and wait for ~1,000 years so the crew can reclaim it in the future.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I suppose that works. I mean, Georgy has to make it back to 2257 somehow, might as well be that way!

The only snag is, why wouldn't she take the Discovery for herself? What reason would she have to leave it for the rest of the crew to retrieve later? That's a lot of power, and I don't see her giving it up that easily. Why should she care what happens to a crew who probably don't mean a hell of a lot to her?

 

[Yistaan]

The only snag is, why wouldn't she take the Discovery for herself? What reason would she have to leave it for the rest of the crew to retrieve later? That's a lot of power, and I don't see her giving it up that easily.

When people feel they are superior in Trek, for some reason they stop valuing the opportunities provided by having their own starship.

Khan: Full impulse power!
Joachim: No sir! You have Genesis. ... You can have whatever you ...
Khan: Full power!

Well, at least God in Star Trek 5 valued starships.

 

[KennyB]

Working theory: Georgiou takes the Discovery back in time so she can star in Section 31 and then programs the ship to hide out and wait for ~1,000 years so the crew can reclaim it in the future.

Are we working on the assumption that she has to be in section 31 in the 23rd Century? Maybe she fires it up again in the New Federation? Hell I don't know---that show is the one I am LEAST looking forward to.

 

[Kelso]

Are we working on the assumption that she has to be in section 31 in the 23rd Century?

I am... for now.

Maybe she fires it up again in the New Federation?

That would be my preference.

Hell I don't know---that show is the one I am LEAST looking forward to.

Agreed.

 

[UssGlenn]

Working theory: Georgiou takes the Discovery back in time so she can star in Section 31 and then programs the ship to hide out and wait for ~1,000 years so the crew can reclaim it in the future.

That's a really good theory, they just need to figure out how to get rid of the Sphere data first. Jumping off of this, perhaps they need Discovery to actually develop a sentient AI and don't have 1000 years to wait for it to happen naturally (to do it faster risks it becoming evil like Control?) Anyway, someone has to fly it back manually and hide it, and Georgiou volunteers.

 

[YouAreDooomed]

The only thing that really bothers me about the whole V'draysh thing is Craft.

Obviously, to him, the V'draysh are the enemy. So it just begs the question, WHY?

Craft seems like a decent enough guy. If his people are fighting the V'draysh, they probably have a good reason. And for my OWN good reasons, I hate the thought of the Federation becoming evil. That, to me, defeats the whole POINT of the Federation.

I am pretty sure that Craft says that

Spoiler: Calypso

he is a reluctant soldier, so his people might be the bad guys in that conflict.

Are we working on the assumption that she has to be in section 31 in the 23rd Century? Maybe she fires it up again in the New Federation?

Or Section 31 is still around in the 32nd century and recruits her... again.

 

[Futureisbright]

How about........

the crew salvage the uss relativity and use its time travel capabilities to send georgiou back to section 31 to stop control even being created, removing the need for the time jump in the first place.

I think discovery is abandoned simply because it is obsolete, but the sphere data cannot be allowed to fall into the wrong hands. A new discovery is made.

calypso might have just been a bit of fun after all.

 

[fireproof78]

When people feel they are superior in Trek, for some reason they stop valuing the opportunities provided by having their own starship.

Khan: Full impulse power!
Joachim: No sir! You have Genesis. ... You can have whatever you ...
Khan: Full power!

Well, at least God in Star Trek 5 valued starships.

Because having your own starship is passé in Trek.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

How about "Calypso" being in an alternate timeline?

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Or Section 31 is still around in the 32nd century and recruits her... again.

Or what I'd like to see, her setting up Section 31 in the 32nd century.

I remember Alex Kurtzman said on when (or where maybe?) Section 31 would be set...

Erika [Lippoldt] and Boey [Yeon Kim], who are two of our writers on Discovery, have been working with Craig Sweeny, who was a writer we worked for a long time and he ran Limitless for us. And they’ve been doing an amazing job building the show. So I’m really excited about where it’s going. And I can’t wait to see Michelle in that part. And I think people are going to be very surprised about the world that it occupies. We’ve seen stuff online where people have guessed certain things, but some they are nowhere even near guessing. So that’s that’s pretty fun.

That kind of works a couple of ways. Would people be surprised that it takes place in the 23rd century because she's currently in the 32nd century. Or would people be surprised because they assume it's going to take place in the 23rd century but it's actually going to take place in the 32nd.

I'm still suspecting that "Calypso" was written well before anyone knew what Season 3 was really going to turn out like. So, the "V'draysh" notwithstanding, they may have no idea how to reconcile the two.

I mean, how many times has DSC changed showrunners between now and then? Who knows what kind of plot threads may have been abandoned.

This is interesting.

Then again, they had the Enterprise show up at the end of season 1, so the Red Angel and time travel had to be in the plans for season 2.

How they specifically got from point A to point B to point C changed, I imagine. But the end point remained largely the same, I would think.

I know Ronald D. Moore and the other creators for For All Mankind had a seven year plan...

Moore had his why. For two months, he and his writing team plotted the arc of For All Mankind. The 10-episode first season, spanning from 1969 to 1974, would unspool what might have happened had the Soviets beaten Apollo 11 to the moon. Congressional hearings, for one, which young senator Ted Kennedy attends in the summer of 1969—meaning he doesn't go to Chappaquiddick, meaning he runs against Nixon in 1972. For another, the government goes all-in on establishing a foothold on the moon, meaning that the US pulls out of Vietnam in 1970.

But that wasn't all that was in Moore's head. Around Halloween, when he pitched his story line to a small group of Apple executives in the company's Culver City outpost, Van Amburg was shocked by the way Moore launched headlong into the show. “When you're making television shows, the idea of something is usually much greater than the execution,” he says. “But Ron hadn't just thought about what the first hour of TV was—he had thought about hour 40.”

On the wall, a series of timelines and character profiles helped illustrate how the show might progress over the seven seasons that Moore and his writers had broken down. “The level of detail was overwhelming,” Erlicht says. “Every aspect of the butterfly effect that would happen from the slightest change in that event.” The executives walked out into the hallway, grinned at each other, and negotiated which one of them was going to give Moore the good news.

And Kurtzman has Star Trek planned out for the next seven years.

That's how they do these shows.

And Discovery was going to be an anthology anyway, with different time periods, right. So the V'Draysh may have always been a part of the larger plan and we're not just getting to it by happenstance; because they thought, "Oh yeah, now that we're here let's do something with the V'Draysh thing."

Of course, I'm also one of those people who believe that George Lucas had it all planned out from the beginning. Because why else would Obi-Wan pause when Luke asked about his father?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Then again, they had the Enterprise show up at the end of season 1, so the Red Angel and time travel had to be in the plans for season 2.

Not really.

When the Enterprise first appears in the S1 cliffhanger, there's no indication of what's going on or what it's doing there. There is a distress call, implying that something is wrong, but they never say WHY. We never find out about the Red Angel (whichever version) until next season.

 

[fireproof78]

Of course, I'm also one of those people who believe that George Lucas had it all planned out from the beginning. Because why else would Obi-Wan pause when Luke asked about his father?

I find that hard to believe