News Variety Reports Robert Pattinson is the new Batman

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought Teen Titans, and Justice League Unlimited were both part of the same universe?

Here's a bit on that, FWIW [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Titans_(TV_series)#Impact_on_DC_continuity]:

Teen Titans has never been established to be a part of the larger DC Animated Universe or The Batman animated series. Series producer Bruce Timm stated the series would not cross over with Justice League Unlimited. Despite this the series was alluded to in Static Shock, which is part of the DCAU like Justice League Unlimited, where Static asked Batman where Robin was to which Batman responded, "With the Titans...You'll meet them some day." The character Speedy, who first appeared in the episode "Winner Take All", later appeared in Justice League Unlimited with the same costume design and voice actor (Mike Erwin) as the Teen Titans incarnation (though he is older in appearance). Kid Flash was voiced by Michael Rosenbaum in his appearances in the show, who was the same actor who voiced the Flash in Justice League Unlimited; both characters are the Wally West incarnations.​

Wow, very much no.

So, based on what I just posted, I'd have to say "very much no" to your "very much no." On the contrary, I think the situation is very much not established one way or the other.

 

[JD]

Wow, very much no. There were people who assumed that at the time because they were used to the ongoing universe of the previous several shows, or who tried to force them to fit together in their heads, but Teen Titans was very much in its own idiosyncratic, much goofier reality. (Although it had a serious side that gradually emerged alongside the silly stuff, and now we have the totally silly Teen Titans Go! reboot, so somehow fans today have a perception of the mostly wild and goofy original as if it were purely some dark, gritty thing, and they complain about the reboot not being as "serious" as TT in the same terms that critics of TT used to complain that it wasn't as serious as JLU.)

Oh, I've never actually seen the animated Teen Titans, but I thought I'd seen it included in a list of DCAU shows. Guess someone must have just assumed since it came in that era, it was part of it.

Is that valuable in itself? Without a good story to justify it, it's just bashing action figures together. The problem with a story idea becoming a trend is that it generally leads to too many productions that do it just to hop on the bandwagon, rather than because there's a worthwhile story that the trope can serve.

Sometimes being fun is all the reason you need.

Multiple DC shows have been able to tiptoe around the no-Batman rule by showing Bruce Wayne not being Batman. Gotham had a teen Bruce, Titans has an older Bruce who's never Batman on camera, Crisis on Infinite Earths had retired Kevin Conroy Dark Knight Returns Bruce, Batwoman had impostor Bruce, etc.

I find this a bit strange since Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same character, and if some legal loophole means they aren't, Bruce Wayne has still appeared in all of the Batman movies and shows. It's not like we're only getting Batman in the movies, and only getting Bruce Wayne on the shows.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, I've never actually seen the animated Teen Titans, but I thought I'd seen it included in a list of DCAU shows. Guess someone must have just assumed since it came in that era, it was part of it.

Yeah. Teen Titans was the first DC animated show in over a decade not to be part of the DCAU (well, almost -- Static Shock's first season was set in a separate reality where Superman was fictional, but it was folded into the DCAU in season 2), so some people had trouble adjusting to the concept of a DC animated show that wasn't part of it, even when it was drastically different in approach and style.

Sometimes being fun is all the reason you need.

Tell me... if something was fun the first time, does it generally feel equally fun after it's been done over and over and over again? Once you get to the point that everyone is doing it, it becomes predictable and ordinary.

I find this a bit strange since Bruce Wayne and Batman are the same character, and if some legal loophole means they aren't, Bruce Wayne has still appeared in all of the Batman movies and shows. It's not like we're only getting Batman in the movies, and only getting Bruce Wayne on the shows.

It's not like it's an actual legal ban or anything. Every one of these productions is owned by DC and Warner Bros., so it's nothing like the rights issues Marvel had with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four before buying Fox, say. As I understand it, it's simply that DC/WB doesn't want to have two different live-action versions of Batman competing with each other for the audience's attention at the same time. So as long as there are Batman movies being made, live-action DC productions can use the character, but they have to use him in a distinct enough form that it's not directly competing. It's bizarre, but that seems to be the idea.

 

[crookeddy]

So the internet is in full panic mode about the 2:47 minute runtime but... TDK was 2:32, is an extra 15 minutes such a big deal??

I mean, do I miss the days when action movies were tightly paced 90 minute rollercoaster rides? Sure I do, but this was never going to be that kind of movie anyway...

Transformers: Age of Extinction: 2 hours 45 minutes - now that was tough to deal with.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

So the internet is in full panic mode about the 2:47 minute runtime but... TDK was 2:32, is an extra 15 minutes such a big deal??

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. The past few years the long movies at the theater really take their toll on butt and bladder.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Michael Giacchino's The Batman theme

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I thought Teen Titans, and Justice League Unlimited were both part of the same universe?

Ehh? Teen Titans (2003-2006) not only was a more child-friendly version of a DC concept, but was deliberately set in its own "world" with a visual style completely separate from the so-called "Timmverse" of cartoons (Batman: the Animated Series - Justice League Unlimited).

 

[Kai "the spy"]

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[theenglish]

And Kurt Cobain as a model for Bruce? Kravitz's Catwoman is the most interesting character in the trailers so far for me.

I hope I'm wrong and it's terrific. But I'll wait to see it on HBO Max.

I agree with all of this. Kurt Cobain was a tragic figure because he was a drug addict. He was ill. How is that similar to Bruce in any way? Kravitz's Catwoman is the only thing I've found interesting in the trailers. I am skipping this in the theatres.

 

[Christopher]

Kurt Cobain was a tragic figure because he was a drug addict. He was ill. How is that similar to Bruce in any way?

Just guessing, but I can imagine them pursuing the angle that Bruce is addicted to vengeance and violence and headed down a self-destructive path. Maybe the story is about how he pulls himself out of the spiral (perhaps with help from Selina) and finds a more functional, positive way to be Batman.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I agree with all of this. Kurt Cobain was a tragic figure because he was a drug addict. He was ill. How is that similar to Bruce in any way?

None. I've known drug addicts and individuals motivated by tragedy and revenge, and there's no emotional, ideological or physical similarity between the two, despite some questionable sources attempting to make the connection. If this is the direction of the Patt-Man version, its misguided, but in the end, it will not matter, since its the equivalent of an imaginary or Elseworlds story having no bearing on any other movie production (for the time being).

 

[Aragorn]

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[Commander Troi]

Tell me... if something was fun the first time, does it generally feel equally fun after it's been done over and over and over again? Once you get to the point that everyone is doing it, it becomes predictable and ordinary.

It's not like it's an actual legal ban or anything. Every one of these productions is owned by DC and Warner Bros., so it's nothing like the rights issues Marvel had with the X-Men and the Fantastic Four before buying Fox, say. As I understand it, it's simply that DC/WB doesn't want to have two different live-action versions of Batman competing with each other for the audience's attention at the same time. So as long as there are Batman movies being made, live-action DC productions can use the character, but they have to use him in a distinct enough form that it's not directly competing. It's bizarre, but that seems to be the idea.

If it's still fun, sure. It's all in the execution. As a writer, you know there're only 7 plots.

As for WB's weird thing about Bats, yeah, it is bizarre. Different Flash, different Superman: just fine. Different Bruce Wayne: Okay. Different Batman: somehow not.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. The past few years the long movies at the theater really take their toll on butt and bladder.

Yeah, streaming services have really changed things for me on this. The only thing I felt I *needed* to see in a theater was Dune, and that was after I watched it HBO.

Michael Giacchino's The Batman theme

Okay, *that* is good!

I agree with all of this. Kurt Cobain was a tragic figure because he was a drug addict. He was ill. How is that similar to Bruce in any way? Kravitz's Catwoman is the only thing I've found interesting in the trailers. I am skipping this in the theatres.

In the interview, he seemed to be saying Bruce was like a reclusive rock star, and perhaps depressed like Cobain (which was an illness in his case). At least I hope that's what he was saying.

Just guessing, but I can imagine them pursuing the angle that Bruce is addicted to vengeance and violence and headed down a self-destructive path. Maybe the story is about how he pulls himself out of the spiral (perhaps with help from Selina) and finds a more functional, positive way to be Batman.

I hope you're right. That would be an interesting story.

I'm wondering if the Vengeance thing is what the Riddler's about and that shakes Bruce up a bit too.

None. I've known drug addicts and individuals motivated by tragedy and revenge, and there's no emotional, ideological or physical similarity between the two, despite some questionable sources attempting to make the connection. If this is the direction of the Patt-Man version, its misguided, but in the end, it will not matter, since its the equivalent of an imaginary or Elseworlds story having no bearing on any other movie production (for the time being).

"Patt-Man"

I suppose we'll have to see. Of course, as put in "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?", they're all Imaginary Stories.

May I ask how you've known those people? I'm genuinely curious, but I understand if it's none of my business.

 

[Christopher]

As for WB's weird thing about Bats, yeah, it is bizarre. Different Flash, different Superman: just fine. Different Bruce Wayne: Okay. Different Batman: somehow not.

It's more consistent than it seems. The only reason there were two Flashes at the same time is because the TV show came first. The movies always take precedence, because they can make the studio much more money. A new TV show won't be able to use a character the movies are already using, but the movies can always use a character a TV show is already using. Arrow had to kill off their Suicide Squad to make way for the movie, but The Flash was a big enough hit that it got to stay on the air when the movie version came along. If the movie had been developed earlier, they probably wouldn't have gotten to do the series.

And yeah, we got a couple of guest appearances by Superman while Cavill was playing the role in the movies, but we didn't get a full-fledged Superman series until WB back-burnered Superman as a movie character. It may have also made a difference that the Hoechlin Superman was at a later point in his life than the Cavill version, maybe a decade further along in his career. Perhaps that made him a distinct enough version to get okayed.

 

[theenglish]

There was also the incident where Ted Kord got tossed on Arrow and replaced by Ray Palmer.

None. I've known drug addicts and individuals motivated by tragedy and revenge, and there's no emotional, ideological or physical similarity between the two, despite some questionable sources attempting to make the connection. If this is the direction of the Patt-Man version, its misguided, but in the end, it will not matter, since its the equivalent of an imaginary or Elseworlds story having no bearing on any other movie production (for the time being).

There is a rumour going around that it is set in the Joker universe.

 

[Commander Troi]

It's more consistent than it seems. The only reason there were two Flashes at the same time is because the TV show came first. The movies always take precedence, because they can make the studio much more money. A new TV show won't be able to use a character the movies are already using, but the movies can always use a character a TV show is already using. Arrow had to kill off their Suicide Squad to make way for the movie, but The Flash was a big enough hit that it got to stay on the air when the movie version came along. If the movie had been developed earlier, they probably wouldn't have gotten to do the series.

And yeah, we got a couple of guest appearances by Superman while Cavill was playing the role in the movies, but we didn't get a full-fledged Superman series until WB back-burnered Superman as a movie character. It may have also made a difference that the Hoechlin Superman was at a later point in his life than the Cavill version, maybe a decade further along in his career. Perhaps that made him a distinct enough version to get okayed.

That makes sense.

There was also the incident where Ted Kord got tossed on Arrow and replaced by Ray Palmer.

Really? Wow, I didn't know that.

 

[DigificWriter]

WB/CW can't use Batman on their TV shows because they want to focus on the movie Batman

This hasn't been true for close to a decade, and yet the notion still won't die.

It makes me want to scream.

 

[Samurai8472]

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Pattinson conveys alot without even saying a word

 

[Kai "the spy"]

^ Already posted by @Aragorn upthread.

 

[Kai "the spy"]