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V Returns

I purchased Kenneth Johnson's novel, "V: The Second Generation," which, from what I understand, was his vision of "V" picking up after the first mini-series and disregarding the second set of movies and the TV series.

It was one of the worst book-buying decisions I ever made. I shall never get my $12 back, nor the time I wasted reading a "novel" that read more like a one-dimensional movie script. I recommend to all book lovers to absolutely avoid Johnson's so-called novel.

And if it really was his vision of a "V" continuation — good riddance to him, I say. ABC is smart to reboot the "V" universe, just as it was the right decision to reboot "Galactica."

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They should make it really gloomy. Every episode should feature them crying all the time. I mean crying jags that make the Space Above and Beyond Pilots look like stoney faced emotionless hard asses. Then there should be a serious Mary Sue type that is good at everything: The best pilot, the best sniper, the best navigator, the best cook, etc. To avoid the Mary Sue label they can make her really fucked up and a poor socializer that gets into fist fights all the time and drinks herself into a stupor.

Every single episode should be so dingy and dirty that we just have to hang a tye dye shirt next to the tv to avoid going into shock. Then they can exploit the whole Aliens look just like us phenomena and make a plot about who is really a Visitor or who is really a human. They can drag that out for 3 or 4 seasons. Of course any combat or shoot'em up should be avoided at all costs, maybe once a season.
 
I really wanted Kenneth Johnson to get his off the ground... but I think he's probably been out of TV writing for a bit and isn't "cool" or "hip" enough for the networks.

I can just imagine them and the studios going "make it edgy, make it edgier".

As soon as I read the words "Homeland Security agent", I could hear alarm bells going up. The original V was brilliant in that while it was about Nazi Germany, it was a story that was quite transferable in terms of its message. They didn't need to smash you over the head with what it meant.

"Homeland Security" immediately ties it to a very US-centric concept and I imagine they will exploit this further and further... they'll some how relate 9/11 to it, and have lots of tortured past for her (maybe she was there when the towers fells, and now she wants to PROTECT AMERICA)... and then you'll have the Lizards wanting to invade a fictional country called Iraqistan under the guise of good intentions and it'll be "oooh look at us, we have a message". i.e. BSG all over again.

I probably shouldn't write it off before I see, but it's been a long time since TV shows could do something with a vague allegory rather than a blatant one about US politics. It's infected US TV. And when taking on a great like V, I fear they will destroy it with politicism.

We shall see.
 
Interesting.......I remember here in the UK i think it was ITV that bought this series to go up against the olympics being shown on the BBC at the time, and if i remember correctly it did really well.
 
I'm actually quite interested in this. It really has the potential to become a new nBSG or, on the other hand, a new new Flash Gordon or Bionic Woman.
 
^Exactly. It has so much potential to be a decent, viable show, and yet easily could so spectacularly suck.

I'm definitely curious to see what they do with it, but my hopes are not very high.
 
antichristhill said:
^Exactly. It has so much potential to be a decent, viable show, and yet easily could so spectacularly suck.

I'm definitely curious to see what they do with it, but my hopes are not very high.
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That's good. If you keep your expectations and hopes low then you have less of a chance of being disappointed. ;)
 
broberfett said:
They should make it really gloomy. Every episode should feature them crying all the time. I mean crying jags that make the Space Above and Beyond Pilots look like stoney faced emotionless hard asses. Then there should be a serious Mary Sue type that is good at everything: The best pilot, the best sniper, the best navigator, the best cook, etc. To avoid the Mary Sue label they can make her really fucked up and a poor socializer that gets into fist fights all the time and drinks herself into a stupor.

Every single episode should be so dingy and dirty that we just have to hang a tye dye shirt next to the tv to avoid going into shock. Then they can exploit the whole Aliens look just like us phenomena and make a plot about who is really a Visitor or who is really a human. They can drag that out for 3 or 4 seasons. Of course any combat or shoot'em up should be avoided at all costs, maybe once a season.
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:guffaw:

How true. ;)
 
I probably shouldn't write it off before I see, but it's been a long time since TV shows could do something with a vague allegory rather than a blatant one about US politics. It's infected US TV. And when taking on a great like V, I fear they will destroy it with politicism.
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I could see this being done intelligently. I don't like the BSG approach (and iirc, you don't either ;)), which is to toss in some glaring "topical" references such as suicide bombers and then deny that you're making a topical reference and telling us it all has something to do with WWII. Please, that's just chickenshit. Either go for it or don't, but don't do it and then try to hide!

I'd rather see them do a political allegory intelligently than just throw up their hands and not do it at all, which in turn would be better than them doing it badly. They should use DS9 as a role model, where the allegory was generalized enough that you couldn't make silly lockstep comparisons to anything too particular. "Homefront/Paradise Lost" seemed to refer to 9/11 psychically, before the fact, but was actually about McCarthyism and witch hunts...that sort of thing works wonderfully. It makes the story about something bigger than current events and timeless storytelling is always the best.

So now I've ratcheted up my expectations for V as "better than BSG." Great way to set myself up for disappointment. Maybe I should be happy if it's "better than Stargate." :rommie:
 
I'm getting nostalgic. Where have some of the old guard (Jane Badler, Frank Ashmore, etc.) been all these years? Marc Singer does the occasional shit like Beastmaster, and Michael Ironside's of course still in the biz...
 
I remember watching the 4400 and Elizabeth(?) started turning into future jesus and then aged instantaneously and I was thinking, hey, they ripped off V.

i don't know if recycling themes is any worse than incidental plagiarism?
 
Haggis and Tatties said:
Interesting.......I remember here in the UK i think it was ITV that bought this series to go up against the olympics being shown on the BBC at the time, and if i remember correctly it did really well.
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That was it, though the detailed story is that ITV had bought it some time earlier but hadn't bothered to show it. Then they decided not to bother screening the LA Olympics due to the Soviet boycott (having got low ratings four years earlier when the US boycotted the Moscow Olympics), and needed something, anything, to fill the empty slots.
And then all five episodes made it into the week's top 10 in the ratings.
 
Babaganoosh said:
I'm getting nostalgic. Where have some of the old guard (Jane Badler, Frank Ashmore, etc.) been all these years? Marc Singer does the occasional shit like Beastmaster, and Michael Ironside's of course still in the biz...
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Jane Badler stayed out in Australia to get married after she did Mission Impossible down under in 1989. I interviewed her a few months back and she's still acting, mainly on the stage, and singing. Can't find the link, but google 'Jane Badler' and ' The Devil Has My Double' and it should bring up the website for her latest album.
 
The original V has dated pretty fucking badly considering when it was made, which is unfortunate. I can see the value in a reboot here, as with BSG. Unfortunately "homeland security agent with troubled son" leads me to believe this will suck horse cock.
 
Tyson said:
The original V has dated pretty fucking badly considering when it was made, which is unfortunate. I can see the value in a reboot here, as with BSG. Unfortunately "homeland security agent with troubled son" leads me to believe this will suck horse cock.
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Who have they cast as the horse?
 
The Bill Gates of Hell said:
Tyson said:
The original V has dated pretty fucking badly considering when it was made, which is unfortunate. I can see the value in a reboot here, as with BSG. Unfortunately "homeland security agent with troubled son" leads me to believe this will suck horse cock.
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Who have they cast as the horse?
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I don't think Marc Singer is doing anything these days.

(Seriously though, I'd love seeing him in a new V, even playing a different character.)
 
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