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V: "Laid Bare" - Jan. 18 on ABC - Grading & Discussion

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They should also all win awards for making it through the "OMG! Tyler is missing half his DNA!" dialogue. :rommie: I know good science is rare in TV sci fi, but that was just absurd beyond belief. At least the writers acknowledged how goofy it was by having the characters be amazed by it.

The Farscape Strategy may be working. Ratings have stabilized and went up a smidge, even. I guess you can get away with "let's locate the human soul AND KILL IT!!!" nonsense if you throw enough crazy zany raunchy violent stuff in the mix.

I can see why this might work. Everyone is soooo bored with the vanilla crap on TV.
 
This show needs Jack Bauer instead of this retarded resistance. 5 minutes with the lizard queen would convince her to leave the planet, never to return and to warn other aliens not to bother with conquering Earth.

That would be appropriate given the show's depiction of torture was about as accurate as 24. I particularly loved having an FBI agent believe the first information Malik offered was reliable.

That was not going good until her tail got cut off, then she squealed like a pig, or a guy with the treat of his "nut sack" being removed.

Sadly I don't think Tyler's gonna die soon, sounds like he may be used against Mommy, and Lisa may turn against Anna?
who knows?
 
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Next week on V, Tyler will say: "Now, let me get this straight Supergirl, I can fuck you, but you'll eat me... And you're kinda suggesting that it might be worth it?"

I just don't understand how this show could ever be taken seriously by even fans of Knight Rider.

They're harvesting "runaways" and not just runaways but they figure out what people they think will runaway and wait for them to runaway and segregate themselves already from their friends and family for months before it's safe to take them for human testing trials...

Surely a farm for breeding humans on the moon would be easier?

And really, what's to stop the V from coming back to get both the mommy and the daughter the next day?
 
I thought this was a really good episode myself. I enjoyed the storyline with Anna going after Jack, and I'm kinda curious where they're going with the soul thing. I'm still not sure if we're supposed to take it seriously, or if it's just that the V's are clueless about humans, which is kinda surprising if they're hoping. If you're gonna breed with another species you'd probably want to know about things like souls. And I'm another one who likes the switching of kids with Anna and Lisa, and Erica and Tyler.
Yessss... I'm amazed more people haven't suggested it might be to show us how alien and naive of our culture Anna (And the Visitors in General) really is. Sure, the theory may be wrong, and the writers may actually want the audience to accept it in the way the audience are currently rebelling against, but, don't you have to at least consider the possibility it's to show naivete?
 
This soul extraction thing is silly enough, but I really wish that the producers had watched a little more of the original V. Since they didn't study human history, at least they might have learned the difference between a resistance and a "fifth column".
 
It didn't extract the soul I thought, the machine destroys everything they can scientifically qualify, and whatsoever remains after all that graded annihilation must be the soul. I've seen the Christians on this board get furious about not being respected or believe,d so it's altogether possible that the authors of this gobshite think that souls are real and are inside the body and real.
 
This soul extraction thing is silly enough, but I really wish that the producers had watched a little more of the original V. Since they didn't study human history, at least they might have learned the difference between a resistance and a "fifth column".


Yes. The original was silly and horribly cheesy at times, but at least it was FUN to watch. This is surprisingly dull and tedious.
 
Eh, below average episode for me. I'm losing interest fast, as they seem to be running around in circles. Some of you would say it's been like this, but it's at least been somewhat entertaining, and I've liked the show up until these last two episodes. I hope they improve, because right now I'm getting to the point where the only people keeping me watching are Morena Baccarin and Laura Vandervoort.
 
We're almost 1/2 way through the season. Sure you can give up now, but think of all the great things you can do with that time?
 
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Next week on V, Tyler will say: "Now, let me get this straight Supergirl, I can fuck you, but you'll eat me... And you're kinda suggesting that it might be worth it?"

I just don't understand how this show could ever be taken seriously by even fans of Knight Rider.

They're harvesting "runaways" and not just runaways but they figure out what people they think will runaway and wait for them to runaway and segregate themselves already from their friends and family for months before it's safe to take them for human testing trials...

Surely a farm for breeding humans on the moon would be easier?

And really, what's to stop the V from coming back to get both the mommy and the daughter the next day?

They said they needed hundreds of thousands of test subjects, but this seems like a ridiculous way of doing it so I agree with you. Obviously since this show's primary audience is the US(and Canada) it's going to remain centered here, but wouldn't the V's be smarter doing this experiment over in a third world countries?

We hear about atrocities committed years after they happened with mass graves dug up and entire villages wiped out. I guess Flash Forward's conspiracy cabal was smarter than the V's in that respect.
 
It's only been a recent revelaion (the last hundred years) to most sections of christianity that black people have souls (don't look at me like that, google it) and that they were not cattle to be used by "real" people with souls.

Maybe the V arn't interested in the third world?

Think about it, if like in The Event, the aliens have been here for over 50 years, have they been watching or sheperding? Guiding or fattening? For what ever they are doing they need a culture to work with that doesn't still think that it is 1952 If they're spent the last 50 plus years trying to make the world like America (or better, much better, much much better.) but most of us stupid monkeys can't seem to follow or be pushed into a degree of tech saavy that we can autoprocess our own doom.

Apart from Ryan (his baby)and Malick, how many other Black V have we seen?
 
Maybe the nonwhite V's are on the ships over the countries with nonwhite populations (where experiments could be going on, as far as we know).

Did you notice the detail about Malick, that she had passports for the US, Canada, UK and Pakistan? Countries where a Pakistani-looking (that's the actress' ethnicity, right?) V wouldn't seem out of place. Which suggests she was given that particular skin in order to allow her to pass in the regions where she was assigned to work. They dole out assignments, then you get a skin to match.

The V's seem less ethnically and racially diverse on the New York ship than New York itself, but that might stem from their observation that white people make better disguises than other races. Ryan is black, but he's a very good-looking, well-built black man, the kind of guy who is likely to attract liberal-guilt type white friends, particularly if placed in a professional context (what was he, an investment banker or something?) The choice of Ryan's skin was particularly cynical and tells us something about the V's opinion of humanity.

For similar reasons, the V's are better looking than average, especially all three generations of queens - Diana, Anna, and Lisa. Perhaps the very prettiest skins were reserved for their use?

The distribution of skins among the V's is very strategic, which itself is eerie as hell.
 
Temis,

How exactly do white people make for better disguises, and what does Ryan's attractiveness have to do with anything, outside of the obvious, his sex appeal? Most of the main Vs are attractive. And why would Ryan's looks and job attract liberal white guilt type friends. I mean, what is a liberal white guilt type person? And they are his friends out of guilt? Are you implying that some professional blacks arouse guilt from some liberal minded professional whites? And that these people befriend them out of that?

Practically, I think the Vs are overwhelmingly white because the writers, the executives, and the advertisers that spend money on the show are probably overwhelmingly white just like for many other TV shows, and their fictional worlds perhaps reflect their real lives where minorities are not significant parts of it. (That's how you can get like one black person, Aisha Tyler, in NYC on Friends, or a handful of blacks on Seinfeld; not sure about Sex and the City, but I know at least there was no black, brown, yellow, or red person among that foursome). IMO there's a myopia when it comes to casting blacks or other non-whites in leading roles. There aren't a lot of nonwhites on V just like on many shows. If you're lucky you might get one or two minorities on a show as regulars or recurring, but most shows have a majority white cast. In the US, there has been a significant increase in workplace integration since the 1960s but I would argue that social integration, particularly in a meaningful way, lags far behind.

That's not just a V problem that's an American TV problem in general. I also could see there being an abundance of white's on the New York ship because whites are still the majority group in the USA and the Vs wanted to reflect that, so as perhaps not to arouse even more bias.

And to be fair to V, Morena Baccarin is from Brazil. Not sure what her ethnic makeup is, but she doesn't look 'white', and she she shares top billing with Erica. Plus, she is a bigger part of the marketing push than Erica or any other character is. I always see Anna for the V promotion.
 
I think that Lisa is too skiny, unhealthily so. I find it difficult to objectify women with those sorts of illnesses. Anna I thought little of as a whore on Firefly, couldn't take my eyes off because of the Ori push up bra as the Star Child on Stargate, which they used to to maximize her cleavage, and although I'm not adverse to the balding look, and the professional women look gives me all sorts of thrilling fantasies about sex on top of a photocopier, I'm back to thinking she's nondescript again. Diana has me thinking about the skins and aging. Has her skin always looked 50 or do the skins have a very finite lifespan and how often are they replaced or do they just mirror the users underneath appearance? No one knows she's down there, we have to assume that that's been the same skin for the last 15 years.

I was surprised, that this was the first time they mentioned that the V couldn't walk about on Earth, and did need the skin as a sort of AV suit to cope with our environment. Surely that's something Ryan should have stressed last season considering he didn't have any skin for his kid who was doomed to choke out on earths 'interesting' air minutes after he ate his way out of his mother.

Maybe all the V have some sort of super serious health problem?

I used to live with a guy from Pakistan, not romantically, (i knew a beautiful woman form Pakistan who apologized to me that I had ever met a man from Pakistan. I think she was inferring that it's mostly still 1974 in back home.) but they have all these fucked up considerations about "shade" determining attractiveness that "brown" is a sliding scale that the browner you are the uglier you are. Weird little internal racist sexual politicking. Besides, a look at their history and the recent 1/2 millennia British occupation and there might be an argument for another ship ship or primarily crackers...

We've seen all the Captains.

Sampling?

Remember the disguised as human alien racial thing from the Adventures of Buckeroo Banzai?

No?

Sorry.
 
Remember the shulb they got to replace the boring guy on Earth Final Conflict?

He had three DNA strands.

Tyler has two halves.

If that.
 
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How exactly do white people make for better disguises,
Because of the racism they will encounter, conscious or otherwise. If I were an alien plotting to destroy Earth and thinking about the best way to evade any whiff of suspicion, I'd opt for a good-looking young white female skin. Lisa's skin is just about perfect (although maybe she should eat a few burgers or guinea pigs).

and what does Ryan's attractiveness have to do with anything, outside of the obvious, his sex appeal?
Because both men and women like to be around attractive people, regardless of romantic possibilities. And why discount sex appeal? Imagine if Ryan's boss were a smitten female executive. As a V spy, that would come in very handy. A V spy who looks like Ryan will be much more effective than one who looks like Woody Allen.
And why would Ryan's looks and job attract liberal white guilt type friends.
Because my observations of people are that white liberal guilt is much more common than people acknowledge or are even aware of, in themselves. Aliens observing our culture from the outside would be very good at picking up on things like that and the best way to manipulate people is to use things against them that they aren't even aware they possess.

Putting a handsome black man in a professional setting allows a different set of manipulations than putting a handsome white man, or women, in the same setting. It would be smart of the V's to try everything. Maybe there's someone powerful in the company where Ryan worked that was more manipulable by Ryan, and a different person who would respond better to a different type skin. The V's would try various options and then go with what worked best.

Are you implying that some professional blacks arouse guilt from some liberal minded professional whites? And that these people befriend them out of that?
Yep. I'm 100% certain that goes on, so why wouldn't the V's see that and exploit it?

But that's just the tip of the iceberg. There are a myriad of ways the V's can exploit humans via various neuroses and prejudices. I didn't mention that it's well established that tall people do better in business and other life situations than shorter people. Therefore, the V's would also opt for taller than average skins. That wouldn't preclude them using shorter stature or even dwarfism if they found situations in which those attributes gave them an edge.

Practically, I think the Vs are overwhelmingly white because the writers, the executives, and the advertisers that spend money on the show are probably overwhelmingly white just like for many other TV shows, and their fictional worlds perhaps reflect their real lives where minorities are not significant parts of it.
Well, yeah, and the V's are all pretty because actors are pretty, and I'm probably grossly exaggerating how much thought the writers put into these things, but it's more fun to come up with in-show explanations for these things.

Here's the real reason Ryan is black: because every show needs its token black major character. But he's never the lead character. I guess V is being kinda groundbreaking in having a female lead character, and making the black guy a more unique character than just the sidekick, badass or priest.

And to be fair to V, Morena Baccarin is from Brazil. Not sure what her ethnic makeup is, but she doesn't look 'white'
She looks plenty white to me. She could be Italian or even Irish.
 
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Remember the Pilot when that gimp from party of 5 comments "Are there any unattractive V?"

Personally if I had to make a decision. I would prefer that my new alien overlord masters looked and dressed like swim suit models.

Or maybe the V are just vain?

Why would they chose to be ugly?

Could ugliness be an assignment or punishment?
 
Temis,

Okay I can get your point about having whites as Vs because of their position in US society. But I take issue with the idea that Ryan's attractiveness on hand might be a good thing. Might an attractive, highly intelligent, sucessful black man stoke as much envy or unease as it might support? (President Obama anyone?) So, that could be a double edged sword.

I can understand though your point about Vs trying all different things. It would make sense that there are Vs in all groups, at all levels of social strata. I'm not so certain about the Vs understanding human biases, etc. to the extent you are giving them credit for. I've seen some evidence of good insight on Anna's part, but not to that level.

I do find it interesting that the part that the black guy got cast for was an alien. An infiltrator; a potential enemy. I still think it speaks to the sense that blacks (and by extension other non-whites) are still seen as the Other. Its a common theme in sci-fi it seems. Even Captain Sisko couldn't just be a regular black person, he wound up half-Bajoran Prophet. It seems to me that the idea of an 'ordinary' black people must be boring to white creators and audiences. So few black characters in the media have rich internal lives. Too many still exist to be the helpmate of the white main characters, and Ryan falls into that category too.

To the credit of the V writers they've at least given Ryan some relatable, very human emotions and motivations. And I guess that's a step up from the more stereotypical black crook who was in the first miniseries (though he was leavened by the portrayal, his growth arc, and the appearance of his father and brother). Then again, at least that dude was black. Ryan's not "black" (though portrayed by a black actor).

Regarding Baccarin, on second thought I can see that even though she has a tint to her skin and appears somewhat exotic, she can also pass for white.

I'm still not sold on the white guilt thing. I don't think its widespread, if exists at all. Could you provide some examples?
 
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