V: "Heretic's Fork" 4/27/10 - Grading & Discussion
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Average.
I kinda thought the show was improving but after tonite's episode I think I'll have to re-evaluate that assessment. The show just doesn't have urgency or compelling plotlines. The characters are basically just "there" which doesn't have to be a problem just so long as the plot/mythology can compensate but so far it hasn't been able to do that. I was hoping the writers might try to do some new interesting things with the Vs as a species but so far they fell like a hodge-podge of Alien, egg laying Borg Queen, Hive Mind aka Bliss, ruthless soldiers a la the Jem'Hadar, human emotion seen as both an intrigue as well as weakness from an alien species. I also never cared for the hybrid baby as an important development a la BSG. And the show has rarely given me the feeling of something monumental happening with the arival & presence of an alien species. Everything on this show feels decidedly mundane which is very odd. Even more bizarre is the way our little band of resistance fighters seem to get away with doing so much under every one's noses. You'd think the Vs would be monitoring all cell phone activity and intercept their phone calls.
I've pretty much had my fill of terrorists/terrorism stories. They are tired and played out. It seems every series-sci-fi or not--wants to meditate on them but frankly I'm just not interested.
Chad continues to be a bore. Could care less about Val, Ryan or the hybrid baby.
Every week it seems like it is just one adventure after the next that exists just to take up an hour as opposed to feeling as an important event. It isn't exciting, interesting.
There isn't anything that piques my interest or gets me to sit up and take note. I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting for what happens next. There is no sense of awe or wonder. And I have a bad feeling the V's interest in humanity is going to be disappointing when it is finally revealed.
I kinda thought the show was improving but after tonite's episode I think I'll have to re-evaluate that assessment. The show just doesn't have urgency or compelling plotlines. The characters are basically just "there" which doesn't have to be a problem just so long as the plot/mythology can compensate but so far it hasn't been able to do that. I was hoping the writers might try to do some new interesting things with the Vs as a species but so far they fell like a hodge-podge of Alien, egg laying Borg Queen, Hive Mind aka Bliss, ruthless soldiers a la the Jem'Hadar, human emotion seen as both an intrigue as well as weakness from an alien species. I also never cared for the hybrid baby as an important development a la BSG. And the show has rarely given me the feeling of something monumental happening with the arival & presence of an alien species. Everything on this show feels decidedly mundane which is very odd. Even more bizarre is the way our little band of resistance fighters seem to get away with doing so much under every one's noses. You'd think the Vs would be monitoring all cell phone activity and intercept their phone calls.
I've pretty much had my fill of terrorists/terrorism stories. They are tired and played out. It seems every series-sci-fi or not--wants to meditate on them but frankly I'm just not interested.
Chad continues to be a bore. Could care less about Val, Ryan or the hybrid baby.
Every week it seems like it is just one adventure after the next that exists just to take up an hour as opposed to feeling as an important event. It isn't exciting, interesting.
There isn't anything that piques my interest or gets me to sit up and take note. I'm not on the edge of my seat waiting for what happens next. There is no sense of awe or wonder. And I have a bad feeling the V's interest in humanity is going to be disappointing when it is finally revealed.
Did people see this? All I got was a Lost replay in V's timeslot...
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
startrekwatcher, I think you hit the nail on the head. This show just isn't compelling and I have no emotional connection to ANY of the characters, whether good or bad.
Hubby and I were watching it and it struck me that a show about all-powerful lizard people invading the planet for some mysterious reason, and the small band of rebels that fight them, irregardless of the love the rest of the planet feels towards the Vs---still somehow manages to be plain old BORING. How is this possible? I should love or hate it, or have some emotional reaction---but I don't. Even hubby, who likes EVERYTHING, just sighed when it was over and said, "Meh."
Everything about this show, and this episode, is just average, and that seems fairly bizarre considering what the show is about.
Hubby and I were watching it and it struck me that a show about all-powerful lizard people invading the planet for some mysterious reason, and the small band of rebels that fight them, irregardless of the love the rest of the planet feels towards the Vs---still somehow manages to be plain old BORING. How is this possible? I should love or hate it, or have some emotional reaction---but I don't. Even hubby, who likes EVERYTHING, just sighed when it was over and said, "Meh."
Everything about this show, and this episode, is just average, and that seems fairly bizarre considering what the show is about.
MeanJoePhaser
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How did you watch 80's t.v. in the 70's?
when the soldier was pulling the ax out of his chest I was hoping he'd throw it at the merc guy's head, geez he's annoying.
The problem with this show from the very beginning is the fact that the writers are apparently taking 15 minutes worth of material, excruciatingly milking it to 45 minutes, throwing 15 minutes of commercials on it, then shoving a 'to be continued' at the end. After an hour of sitting in front of the television, I feel like I've watched a 15 minute show.
Absolutely nothing is going on in this show.
Additionally, when it comes to her son, Erica is a really lame parent *and* FBI agent. She's had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in his spy-cam uniform to take his whiny, disrespectful little ass, at gun point, to the Fifth Column hideout, show him what Ryan looks like under his skin and then say "that's what your girlfriend looks like."
I'm almost at the same point where I presently am with Stargate: Universe --- wanting every character on the show to die in the worst way possible on screen -- except maybe for Father Landry.
Absolutely nothing is going on in this show.
Additionally, when it comes to her son, Erica is a really lame parent *and* FBI agent. She's had plenty of opportunity when he wasn't in his spy-cam uniform to take his whiny, disrespectful little ass, at gun point, to the Fifth Column hideout, show him what Ryan looks like under his skin and then say "that's what your girlfriend looks like."
I'm almost at the same point where I presently am with Stargate: Universe --- wanting every character on the show to die in the worst way possible on screen -- except maybe for Father Landry.
This show is pretty poorly executed. I thought the mother-son confrontation at the end would go much differently than how they did it (which was basically a whole lot of nothing). And at this point, why not just show the whole world what the Vs really look like instead of vaporizing the bodies? Wouldn't that help the cause?
And why did the Fifth Column's transmission have to be JOHN MAY LIVES?
Why couldn't it have been THE VISITORS ARE EVIL EMOTIONLESS REPTILES WEARING HUMAN SKIN WHO WANT TO TAKE OVER EARTH AND WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE?
Anna would not have been able to explain that as a typo.
Why couldn't it have been THE VISITORS ARE EVIL EMOTIONLESS REPTILES WEARING HUMAN SKIN WHO WANT TO TAKE OVER EARTH AND WIPE OUT THE HUMAN RACE?
Anna would not have been able to explain that as a typo.
Average.
Extrocomp makes a funny, though good, point. I think the writers made a mistake pumping up John May with that message only to reveal he was killed off (perhaps) in the next episode.
I don't revile the show as some others do. I think it has improved since the premiere, but I look at it as a guilty pleasure. The show is has turned into a pretty much straight forward alien invasion/infiltration storyline which is better than the muddled stuff they were doing before regarding devotion. The original V miniseries was about something, but I would rather the new V be about nothing if the stories and characters are entertaining enough, and right now, for me they are. I think the resistance characters are okay, though I agree that they do some stupid things and get away with too much.
I was surprised that Erica didn't step in a bit more when Lisa and Tyler were talking. I also wasn't sure what angle Lisa was playing with Tyler, but it seems that even though she genuinely didn't want him on the ship, her words prompted him to want that even more. That was the time I expected Erica to put her foot down, but she just gives pained expressions instead. Actually just about every resistance person on the show gives pained expressions a lot. I also agree that Erica could've shown Tyler the truth about the Vs but her own lack of faith in her son is being mirrored by his lack of faith in her.
Didn't get why Chad would come to the Priest for info about the Vs. I don't recall if they had a previous relationship or not.
One more sci-fi franchise to thrown in startrekwatcher...The Terminator. I got a Terminator vibe from the V Soldier. I liked the Soldier.
On a side note, I really wish they would give the Vs a name for their species. Why would they call themselves "Vs"?
Extrocomp makes a funny, though good, point. I think the writers made a mistake pumping up John May with that message only to reveal he was killed off (perhaps) in the next episode.
I don't revile the show as some others do. I think it has improved since the premiere, but I look at it as a guilty pleasure. The show is has turned into a pretty much straight forward alien invasion/infiltration storyline which is better than the muddled stuff they were doing before regarding devotion. The original V miniseries was about something, but I would rather the new V be about nothing if the stories and characters are entertaining enough, and right now, for me they are. I think the resistance characters are okay, though I agree that they do some stupid things and get away with too much.
I was surprised that Erica didn't step in a bit more when Lisa and Tyler were talking. I also wasn't sure what angle Lisa was playing with Tyler, but it seems that even though she genuinely didn't want him on the ship, her words prompted him to want that even more. That was the time I expected Erica to put her foot down, but she just gives pained expressions instead. Actually just about every resistance person on the show gives pained expressions a lot. I also agree that Erica could've shown Tyler the truth about the Vs but her own lack of faith in her son is being mirrored by his lack of faith in her.
Didn't get why Chad would come to the Priest for info about the Vs. I don't recall if they had a previous relationship or not.
One more sci-fi franchise to thrown in startrekwatcher...The Terminator. I got a Terminator vibe from the V Soldier. I liked the Soldier.
On a side note, I really wish they would give the Vs a name for their species. Why would they call themselves "Vs"?
Checkmate
Commodore
Oh God, tell me about it.
I normally don't pay attention (or even notice) it, even in really bad cases, but the one scene where Anna and her daughter were talking in the room with the white desk made me cringe.
When did Erica find out that she was a "V"?
Missed this week, because Lost was a re-run. And that pretty much sums up my feelings on the show.
Where to start? The stupidity, I suppose. I've never seen a computer erase part of a data base the way the names might be left while the address was erased. The fact that the guy didn't turn in the hard drive was amazing enough. The cord plugged into it made me wonder if it had been copied to the home computer's hard drive. Or uploaded to who knows where. The most amazing thing of all is that a V supporter would even erase a database of Fifth Column supporters, even if he instanteously memorized all the files.
Which brings up the nastiness. Torture is not an effective interrogation tool. It is effective solely for terrorizing prisoners in particular, and the people at large. They write this crap without the slightest regard for quality, but as long as they can give the audience its jollies, they feel satisfied.
Garbage.
Which brings up the nastiness. Torture is not an effective interrogation tool. It is effective solely for terrorizing prisoners in particular, and the people at large. They write this crap without the slightest regard for quality, but as long as they can give the audience its jollies, they feel satisfied.
Garbage.