Which ship would win in a battle?
USS Voyager vs USS Defiant
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I agree
I think all three were great ships with Captains who loved them.
Worf is first officer of the Defiant and every time we see the E onscreen he is at tactical, so there is no way he could be in two places at once. Unless there's some sort of anomaly, probably caused by Voyager.
Since Voyager usually comes out on top when there's some weird anomaly, I'm giving this one to ...
James Tiberius Freaking Kirk. He slingshots around the sun into the 24th century and surprises the other captains. In their shock at seeing the older ship Kirk blows up all three other ships with a massive kickass torpedo assault that Scotty improvises on the spur of the moment.
Since Voyager usually comes out on top when there's some weird anomaly, I'm giving this one to ...
James Tiberius Freaking Kirk. He slingshots around the sun into the 24th century and surprises the other captains. In their shock at seeing the older ship Kirk blows up all three other ships with a massive kickass torpedo assault that Scotty improvises on the spur of the moment.
Assuming all three are normal specifications (no future tech or Borg tech), then the Enterprise E clearly is the most powerful and most advanced of the three, and the largest.
Voyager modified as seen per Endgame, took out Borg Cubes easily, so if you go with modifications, then Voyager has it.
Voyager modified as seen per Endgame, took out Borg Cubes easily, so if you go with modifications, then Voyager has it.
Being larger does not make the ship more suited for battle. I might go with Defiant just based on maneuverability and the fact that it has a cloaking device.
Voyager with future armor, okay, but Voyager when it was built loses easily to Defiant.
I don't know why they never introduced the concept of fighters in DS9. They were rather obvious additions to Babylon 5 and BSG. Maybe they only didn't it because they were afraid to be accused of copying B5?
Voyager with future armor, okay, but Voyager when it was built loses easily to Defiant.
I don't know why they never introduced the concept of fighters in DS9. They were rather obvious additions to Babylon 5 and BSG. Maybe they only didn't it because they were afraid to be accused of copying B5?
^We did see fighters, didn't we? Those little ships that were always darting in and out in the big DS9 battles (originally seen as Maquis ships, I believe)...how big were they supposed to be?
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http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Federation_attack_fighter
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Defiant is a "tough little ship" from what we saw throughout the Dominion War.
Voyager slaughtered Borg cubes due to they're transphasic torpedoes or whatever Adm Janeway brought from the future. I can't imagine they would work on a ship that doesn't analyze and adapt to everything like the Borg do.
The Enterprise-E is a "tough big ship" as we saw from First Contact and Nemesis. Big E takes this battle.
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Yeah... Fighters have know future against big starships.
Voyager slaughtered Borg cubes due to they're transphasic torpedoes or whatever Adm Janeway brought from the future. I can't imagine they would work on a ship that doesn't analyze and adapt to everything like the Borg do.
The Enterprise-E is a "tough big ship" as we saw from First Contact and Nemesis. Big E takes this battle.
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Yeah... Fighters have know future against big starships.
True considering the Defiant pwned the Lakota. However, IIR the Defiant class was basically the testing ground for everything that got put in the Sovereign's. Enterprise E- is everything the Defiant is but bigger, faster, better shielded, more powerful and has a bigger arsenal of weapons available. Remember, E-E was also constructed to be a Borg fighter.
With Starfleet having possession of the Romulan cloak aboard the Defiant, I am sure it has been dissected enough where starfleet captains have been briefed on how to detect cloaked ships using Romulan cloaks, and how to track them. Heck, even Geordi figured out how in TNG.
Also, Defiant may be more maneuverable, but the defiant is only able to fire forward, whereas the Sovereigns have a 360 firing arc for the phaser arrays. So the maneuverability is not as much an advantage against Enterprise E, as it would have been against the Lakota, or maybe even a galaxy class ship.
Defiant isn't winning this one against Enterprise E.
Whilst I don't think we ever say the Defiant fire aft, it doesn't mean it can't. We after all didn't see the Galaxy Class fire aft Phasers that often.
Even if Defiant did have the capability of firing at other angles (IE phasers or torpedoes), it still doesn't change the fact that E-E is everything Defiant is, just more of it. Bigger hull able to handle more damage, more power output, more phaser arrays and torpedo bays, large crew to handle battle damage, more of just basically everything, less cloak, which isn't necessarily an advantage, if E-E is able to track it, anyway.
That doesn't mean Defiant won't get its licks in, and it would be an easy win for E-E, just that the odds are with the Enterprise-E.
Now, if we were talking Enterprise-D, it just might be a different story and go in Defiant's favor (Caveat: Except maybe "All Good Things..." Enterprise D, which also has a cloak and has been upgraded to basically a dreadnaught).
That said, I think the real contest might be Voyager VS Defiant. That might be closer, but my money would be on Defiant...not because I like Voyager less (I think Voyager is a better looking ship, personally), but because Voyager is more a multi-role explorer ship, whereas Defiant is all warrior.
That doesn't mean Defiant won't get its licks in, and it would be an easy win for E-E, just that the odds are with the Enterprise-E.
Now, if we were talking Enterprise-D, it just might be a different story and go in Defiant's favor (Caveat: Except maybe "All Good Things..." Enterprise D, which also has a cloak and has been upgraded to basically a dreadnaught).
That said, I think the real contest might be Voyager VS Defiant. That might be closer, but my money would be on Defiant...not because I like Voyager less (I think Voyager is a better looking ship, personally), but because Voyager is more a multi-role explorer ship, whereas Defiant is all warrior.
Voyager wins hands down because her Captain wouldn't allow anything less!
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Going by the options, I would sort them thusly:
- Enterprise-E
- Defiant
- Voyager
So even if the E-E wasn't on that list, the Defiant would always win against Voyager.
- Enterprise-E
- Defiant
- Voyager
So even if the E-E wasn't on that list, the Defiant would always win against Voyager.
defiant,it is a warship,built to fight.
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