But that's only because Sisko wasn't around to call Starfleet on their bullshit. The Prometheus was of course an "experimental prototype designed for deep-space tactical assignments." Just like the Defiant was an "escort vessel". Officially anyway.
USS Voyager - A battleship?
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But that's only because Sisko wasn't around to call Starfleet on their bullshit. The Prometheus was of course an "experimental prototype designed for deep-space tactical assignments." Just like the Defiant was an "escort vessel". Officially anyway.
i don't think so. voyager was far more of a military vessel than the enterprise, and not designed to carry families around. there were no scientists aboard, no laboratories to speak of, the cargo halls had to be converted all the time. apart from the captain's room the living quarters were spartanic. for a ship its size, voyager carried big guns, and was fast and maneuverable. i liked the 'living witness' voyager with its additional gun turrets.
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Okay, except that that's supported by absolutely nothing ever seen or mentioned on screen. The "spartan" look of Voyager versus the luxurious vibe of Enterprise-D shouldn't denote that one was military while the other wasn't. Enterprise-D was simply constructed during a different era (pre-the Borg) when the idea of luxury and comfort in space travel seemed more realistic. Post-the Borg having large numbers of civilians on board while traveling through deep space seems stupid (not that it didn't always seem that way to me.)
Again, the evidence is there- if you're going to call Voyager one thing more than the other, it would have to be a ship geared from scientific exploration more than for combat.
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Well stated!
Besides, the things being 'converted' were things that starships would ordinarily have no need for - science or no.
Why would they need a hydroponics bay (unless a specific mission called for it)? What point would there be to a massive galley with a kitchen? What Federation ship is going to have Borg alcoves in cargo bay 2?
You see where I'm going here.
I think when the crew referred to the ship as 'a ship of exploration' or something to that effect, it had more to do with the way they see themselves, not necessarily the purpose of the vessel. If the Defiant had been in the Delta Quadrant, the crew wouldn't have gone around saying "look at us, we're on a warship" (even though that's essentially what the Defiant is) because that's not Starfleet's style. Starfleet is somewhat 'millitary' in function but more geared towards exploration. So I don't think we can actually say Voyager was a pure-science vessel only based on what the crew called it. They were concerned with getting home and exploring on the way and avoiding conflict as much as possible, whether the ship was intended to see a lot combat is beside the point in that context.
Another thing...
Another thing...
What exactly are you referring to? Memory Alpha (granted, not the MOST reliable source) says this about the Akira:
So if the designer of the ship says it was a gunship, does that count as fan speculation because it wasn't explicitly mentioned? BTW, Alex Jaeger actually described the design here.
Ok ... 3 phaser strips on the entire ship, all of it located on the frontal saucer section = bad coverage/protection (especially when your torpedoes supply runs out).
At least 14 vissible torpedo tubes ... for WHAT reason?
I mean, it's stupid, over-designed and is simply unnecessary.
With the ability of torpedo launchers to fire numerous torpedoes (which usually can be self-guided) in one burst, and should be travelling at FTL speeds to begin with, the coverage from torpedo tubes on various sides is pointless.
Carrier capability of the Akira was never seen on-screen in action ... and it's saucer would likely have to be mostly empty if it wanted to hold a decent number or said fighters (which are so vulnerable to large ships to begin with, I just see them as a waste of man-power ... if they are manned by organics to begin with).
Except for the fact that the ship's computer was the one who never mentioned the word 'Warship' and just as an experimental prototype for long range tactical assignments (which can mean a variety of things ... and doesn't eliminate the ship from functioning in other fields predominantly should SF wish it).
Also, Sisko doesn't have to call SF on anything.
DS9 and Sisko in general were written to conform far more to contemporary humans as a whole ... which was one of the reasons I never enjoyed it on the same level as other shows.
At least 14 vissible torpedo tubes ... for WHAT reason?
I mean, it's stupid, over-designed and is simply unnecessary.
With the ability of torpedo launchers to fire numerous torpedoes (which usually can be self-guided) in one burst, and should be travelling at FTL speeds to begin with, the coverage from torpedo tubes on various sides is pointless.
Carrier capability of the Akira was never seen on-screen in action ... and it's saucer would likely have to be mostly empty if it wanted to hold a decent number or said fighters (which are so vulnerable to large ships to begin with, I just see them as a waste of man-power ... if they are manned by organics to begin with).
Except for the fact that the ship's computer was the one who never mentioned the word 'Warship' and just as an experimental prototype for long range tactical assignments (which can mean a variety of things ... and doesn't eliminate the ship from functioning in other fields predominantly should SF wish it).
Also, Sisko doesn't have to call SF on anything.
DS9 and Sisko in general were written to conform far more to contemporary humans as a whole ... which was one of the reasons I never enjoyed it on the same level as other shows.
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It's stupidly designed in terms of offensive systems (the hull design itself is aesthetically speaking ok) when Trek Federation designs are taken into account.
I don't see it as a war-ship, and no where on-screen was it really indicated as such.
The only war-ship seen on-screen and confirmed as such from the Federation (even from the Cardassians) was the Defiant.
Ultimately though, I fail to see why using contemporary descriptions of naval vessels for (fictional) highly advanced (300 years into the future) star-ships that have next to nothing in-common with each other are done in the first place.
I don't see it as a war-ship, and no where on-screen was it really indicated as such.
The only war-ship seen on-screen and confirmed as such from the Federation (even from the Cardassians) was the Defiant.
Ultimately though, I fail to see why using contemporary descriptions of naval vessels for (fictional) highly advanced (300 years into the future) star-ships that have next to nothing in-common with each other are done in the first place.
If it's a ship for war, then it's a war-ship...or do you mean things like 'destroyer' 'escort' or 'battlecruiser'? A destroyer is a "small, fast, lightly armored but heavily armed warship", an escort escorts and defends other vessels, and a battlecruiser is "A fast, relatively lightly armoured cruiser designed to act as an advanced scout of the battle fleet" (definitions from Google's define function)
Why couldn't those descriptions work for highly advanced star-ships?
Ships that were used in various conflicts and wars throughout Federation history were never really referred to as such until DS9 came along (and it was written to conform more to the current audience mentality thus sacrificing various other aspects).
It's not that the descriptions wouldn't necessarily work for highly advanced star-ships ... it's more along the lines that I find it a bit stupid to cling onto centuries old terminology in an era so far ahead of our own for aspects that don't really relate to one another.
It's not that the descriptions wouldn't necessarily work for highly advanced star-ships ... it's more along the lines that I find it a bit stupid to cling onto centuries old terminology in an era so far ahead of our own for aspects that don't really relate to one another.
Given the number of torpedo tubes it not just a warship, it's almost surely a pure torpedo ship. With fourteen (fifteen?) launch tubes the majority of the non-engineering internal volume must be devoted to magazine spaces. The Enterprise D carried about one hundred torpedoes per tube (two hundred torpedoes, two tubes) the Akira couldn't carry that ratio, but it does indicate what Starfleet considers to be a good ratio for a explorer.Okay, so it's a stupidly designed warship. That doesn't mean it's not a warship.
The Enterprise-D had 200 photon torpedoes as a whole ... however, we were never given an indication how much torpedoes was devoted to each tube.
I would surmise only as much are needed at the time of combat.
And we only ever saw the D fire about 5 to 10 (depending on situation) torpedoes in a Sierra pattern.
I would surmise only as much are needed at the time of combat.
And we only ever saw the D fire about 5 to 10 (depending on situation) torpedoes in a Sierra pattern.
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