USS Franklin issue
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"The Voyager" was used in Parallax, but then that's the same episode where Seska wore the wrong colour and Chakotay is mispronounced by everyone. So clearly they were still working some kinks out.
Australia was the LAST holdout, going by Beverly's example. I'd be surprised if it was the only one.
Australia was not a hold-out. Beverly Crusher was stating a hypothetical.
What if one of the old nation states, say Australia, had decided not to join the World Government in twenty one fifty? Would that have disqualified us as a Federation member?
What if one of the old nation states, say Australia, had decided not to join the World Government in twenty one fifty? Would that have disqualified us as a Federation member?
^ Correct. At no point does Crusher ever actually suggest that Australia "held out", that's simply one of those urban myths that has been perpetuated over the years.
I think the confusion arises from a poorly-worded section of the Okuda's Chronology, which seems to misinterpret or misunderstand that line of dialogue.
It's true, the Chronology takes lines of dialogue way too literally. For example, if a line in an episode was "around 100 years ago" the Chronology declares that it was exactly 100 years prior to the day.
Spoiler about the Registry number
It is NX-326 according to someone who has seen the movie
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/4rnwaz/spoilerfree_thoughts_on_star_trek_beyond/d52pzcr
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https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/4rnwaz/spoilerfree_thoughts_on_star_trek_beyond/d52pzcr
Hover over the blue text to see it
YES! Justin Lin knows how to do a proper registry number. And now my faith has been restored that quality Star Trek can still be made in this day and age.
WHOOP! WHOOP! YAY! HUZZAH!
Seriously, this is the best Star Trek related news I've heard in over a decade.
Who cares at least there's no leading zero in the thing. My ancestors didn't sail a boat across the Atlantic from Ireland to put up with leading zeroes in starship registries.
So this means the Franklin came after the NX-01?
Elsewhere I read it was that three-digit but with an NCC registry and launched in the 2160s.
Regardless of a bit of art dept embellishment indicating a Warp 4 prototype, I think it makes more sense to come after the NX myself. That way the crew uniforms work as the first Federation ones with the introduction of new Starfleet patch, delta to the chest and U.S.S. prefix to their ship. While smaller, the ship looks more hotrod and advanced with unnecessarily busy Abramsverse touches to the hull. Meanwhile inside the look is more clunky in shape but sparse control-wise in some ways, moving toward TOS.
Not that it matters too much. Built before Enterprise if it happens to be, in-service for a couple of decades and refit towards of the end of its life.
Regardless of a bit of art dept embellishment indicating a Warp 4 prototype, I think it makes more sense to come after the NX myself. That way the crew uniforms work as the first Federation ones with the introduction of new Starfleet patch, delta to the chest and U.S.S. prefix to their ship. While smaller, the ship looks more hotrod and advanced with unnecessarily busy Abramsverse touches to the hull. Meanwhile inside the look is more clunky in shape but sparse control-wise in some ways, moving toward TOS.
Not that it matters too much. Built before Enterprise if it happens to be, in-service for a couple of decades and refit towards of the end of its life.
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^^
I'm going to be different and refer to the ship as 'the Voyager' and pronounced Data as 'dah-ta' (like Dr. Pulaski)...lol
I'm actually slightly disappointed that the Franklin is post-Enterprise. I love retcons, and my imagination was working overtime trying to fit everything together.
Perhaps Popular Mechanics made a typo, and the Franklin was the first warp 7 ship, as they talk about in ENT's finale.
Perhaps Popular Mechanics made a typo, and the Franklin was the first warp 7 ship, as they talk about in ENT's finale.
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It's specifically mentioned in the ship as a Warp 4 Starship of the 2160's. I suspect that rather than a ret-con, there'd have been a reconfiguration of the Warp scale like there was in TNG.
Maybe the Franklin just wasn't top-of-the-line like Enterprise NX-01 or its successors? Whatever it is, we Trekkies will find a way to make it fit. We always do 
It's not as though Enterprise could comfortably do Warp 5 anyway. The engine would come close to exploding in an episode like "Fallen Hero". Perhaps they were just being "a wee bit Conservative on paper", like the Excelsior class going from great experiment to not basically being able to do what it was designed for?
Mentioning Warp 7 was somewhat ambitious for a holodeck program set in 2161. And probably not the only inaccuracy in it.
Mentioning Warp 7 was somewhat ambitious for a holodeck program set in 2161. And probably not the only inaccuracy in it.
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Yet it's perfectly clear that Australia did hold out: she only joined in 2150, a date by which the organization known as United Earth had already made an impact on Earth history. That is, if we assume United Earth was behind the United Earth Science Probe Agency of 21st century fame.
We have no idea how many other nations held out in that sense. Might be there were just two for Crusher to choose from, say, Australia and the Principality of Sealand. Might be 98% of Earth's nations signed in 2150, and only 2% in 2060. What we can tell is that after 2150, Earth was factually united in having just a single planetwide government.
(As for United Earth before 2150 represented, well, they do have a website and a Facebook page today...)
Is the Franklin in the movie quoted as the first warp 4 ship, or merely a warp 4 ship? I rather suspect the latter.
Timo Saloniemi
If the Franklin has
can we begin referring to her class as the Franklin-class?
the registry prefix NX,
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