I've still not seen it...
USS ENTERPRISE HAYNES OWNERS MANUAL (Part 3)
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Well, now that you've invoked his name, I'm sure he'll be along soon.
Let's add to the fun and call upon Rick Sternbach and Andrew Probert while we're at it.
Haven't seen the book yet so I can't really comment intelligently. - Rick
Holy jeebers, you can summon Rick Sternbach on command?!
He's like Beatlejuice. Just say his name.
I bought the book about a week ago. I thought it was interesting, but not revolutionary. Note, BTW, that the authors are veterans of the Fact Files, and their work on this book seems to have been very much influenced by that prior work. At least it wasn't folks with no involvement in Trek at all.
I thought, too, about how much of this book was re-covering ground already trod upon, but then I also thought about how much of the older material is simply no longer available to the casual fan of 2010. Yeah, for us, there's a lot of recap, but for newer fans, it's a good way to get caught up on the various Enterprises. And even this one added a few new "facts", such as the first "official" (to my knowledge) date for the loss of the Enterprise-B, and so on.
BTW, have folks noticed that a lot of the art we were seeing a few months ago--not counting stuff that got edited out of the final book--was itelf preliminary? e.g., the horribly inaccurate shuttle was replaced with a much more accurate, albeit still not perfect, version, and so forth.
As to the traces of material from SciPubTech, while I agree that it would have been a lot classier to credit the guys who did it, as they did with the Kimble art, I wonder if it got used because when it was done for the posters, it was considered work-for-hire and ultimately CBS/Paramount's property.
At the very least, I was glad that the material was largely consistent with what's already been established, not another group of people thinking they needed to reinvent the wheel.
Best,
Alex
I thought, too, about how much of this book was re-covering ground already trod upon, but then I also thought about how much of the older material is simply no longer available to the casual fan of 2010. Yeah, for us, there's a lot of recap, but for newer fans, it's a good way to get caught up on the various Enterprises. And even this one added a few new "facts", such as the first "official" (to my knowledge) date for the loss of the Enterprise-B, and so on.
BTW, have folks noticed that a lot of the art we were seeing a few months ago--not counting stuff that got edited out of the final book--was itelf preliminary? e.g., the horribly inaccurate shuttle was replaced with a much more accurate, albeit still not perfect, version, and so forth.
As to the traces of material from SciPubTech, while I agree that it would have been a lot classier to credit the guys who did it, as they did with the Kimble art, I wonder if it got used because when it was done for the posters, it was considered work-for-hire and ultimately CBS/Paramount's property.
At the very least, I was glad that the material was largely consistent with what's already been established, not another group of people thinking they needed to reinvent the wheel.
Best,
Alex
Are you kidding... I mean seriously... are you kidding? The TOS shuttle in this book is nowhere near accurate... it's as if whoever drew the images for it never even watched the episodes where it was featured! There is nothing remotely accurate about it, save for the basic shape of it.
Next time they wanna show a TOS shuttle in a book, call Warped9... at least it'll look like what it's supposed to look like, in and out.
This almost certainly a topic for another thread, but maybe someone could draw up some construction plans based on Warped9's shuttlecraft reworking, and some industrious soul could build their own mockup (since the original Galileo appears to be, at best, MIA at the present time).
I already posted in Warped9's thread that I'd be willing to do a set of plans fleshing out his concept shuttle... haven't heard back on that yet, but if he's up for it, I'd love to do it.
? ? ? Which post was this? I haven't seen anything going on in those threads for awhile. What is it you've got in mind?
The thing is I'd love to hook up with a good 3D modeler to see my adapted shuttlecraft brought to life. I haven't got an inkling on how to get started on 3D modeling particularly with other things I've got going on.
Over on the Hobbytalk boards there's a push to encourage pre-orders for the 1/350th scale TOS Enterprise that everyone (including me) seems to want and that Round 2 appears to be seriously interested in producing. The second most wanted model I want is the TOS shuttlecraft and I've got a poll going to get a sense of interest in such a kit since the shuttlecraft has never been done well. Okay, Randy Cooper offers a 12in. resin kit that's nice, but it's also $300 US. A mass produced kit would be much more affordable for a greater number of people. And in all candor I'd want a kit that reconciles the exteriors and interiors we saw onscreen in a credible manner and the only way to really do that is to approach it pretty much as I did. To that end I'd be willing to talk to Round 2 about possibly using my drawings as a reference source.
That is if they'd be interested.
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I'll have to check the HobbyTalk forums again, to contribute to that push... I'm pretty sure that kit will be made, as box art for it has already been posted (PM me if you have not seen it, and want a copy), but yeah, I'd love to know just when, so I can get a bunch of them!
If Round 2 used your drawings as refs, they'd be doing a very wise thing.
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I'll have to check the HobbyTalk forums again, to contribute to that push... I'm pretty sure that kit will be made, as box art for it has already been posted (PM me if you have not seen it, and want a copy), but yeah, I'd love to know just when, so I can get a bunch of them!If Round 2 used your drawings as refs, they'd be doing a very wise thing.
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Thanks! I posted my support.
Thanks! I posted my support.
I need to work on undoing my permaban over there...
Hardly, I just found that amusing. I should have inserted a smile.
My only problem with the book was the fold that bisected the images and the lack of more line drawings. I purchased the book and would recommend it so that there will be more--and better, tech manuals in the future. The Ent-B Excelsior saucer looks well drawn. Apart from the TOS saucer, a lot of folks have drawn the primary hull of Excelsior a dozen different ways it seems. All well and good for different builds of course.
If the book had been made long like STARFLEET PROTOTYPES or SHIPS OF THE LINE, they'd be less fuss.
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A friend of mine, a long time TOS fan, picked the Haynes book up yesterday. He saw some pretty pictures, but pretty much no depth or substance. He says he's gonna try to pass it off to a second hand book store. I'm familiar with his tastes and perspective so that's pretty much the last nail in the coffin for me.
I'll probably snag it when it hits the remainder table.
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It won't be a long wait.
It won't be a long wait.
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Well, that's the sad part...instead of taking this for what it is... fan feedback, and the fans expressing not only what they want, but where the problem areas were, they will choose to see it as a rejection and lack of desire for anything further, which while not only sad, but immensely retarded, is just as well... I'd rather have a product of good quality than a substandard one.
Well, that's the sad part...instead of taking this for what it is... fan feedback, and the fans expressing not only what they want, but where the problem areas were, they will choose to see it as a rejection and lack of desire for anything further, which while not only sad, but immensely retarded, is just as well... I'd rather have a product of good quality than a substandard one.
^ Yep this has been my main concern with all the negative feedback. Unless the sales figures have been mind blowing (and I can't imagine they are when it's still not even freaking available in some places!!!) it will be another long wait for a Tech manual. Sigh.