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USS ENTERPRISE HAYNES OWNERS MANUAL (Part 3)

No I'd say the purists have built themselves up into a lather over the book and they've already made their views quite clear that they've no intention of buying or supporting this book. I don't understand why we just can't be fans and enjoy something for you know fun for once.

Fun is one thing.
A bad book another... and sadly this one falls short on its very premise: being a 'workshop manual'.

If you don't have it already, get the Enterprise-D Technical Manual (it's available as an ebook now too) - this book at least holds what the title promises, with much more creativity.

Agreed. I think the first major red flag was the announcement that the JJ Prise would not be included in the book which many of us suspected anyway.

Nothing suspect about it.
Abrams and his creative team just don't want to be 'limited' by or have to contradict detailed information in such a book in the next film.
 
^^^ The exact same reason we never got a tech manual for RDM's new BSG series. Seems to be the way of things now-a-days.
 
Flipped through it, tech's a bit sparse and watered down, like dialogue from VOY or info you'd find on some obscure Trek RPG site in the ass end of the internet.

And the cutaway poster debacle is... a bit of a turnoff. Not only were they too lazy to come up with their own stuff, but they didn't even feel like crediting the original artist.

A couple of the illustrations are kind of neat, but most of its outclassed by prior publications and fan work. It's glossy and shiny, but a ton of original thought doesn't appear to have been put into it, which is a shame. I was one of the non-nay sayers who was hoping for something cooler.

Ah well, I used the money I'd set aside for a few novels and a pizza.
 
Abrams and his creative team just don't want to be 'limited' by or have to contradict detailed information in such a book in the next film.

But that's never stopped anyone before. Hell, the shows contradicted Okuda's Encyclopedia and Chronology all the time, and that reference work was supposed to help keep things cohesive.

Anyway, I skimmed through the book today at B&N. Here's my thoughts.

1. Although I'm not familiar with Haynes automotive repair manuals, I am familiar with other types of manuals like that. And they are usually huge. I'm talking three or four inches of paper huge. When I saw the width of the manual here, needless to say it was nowhere near what I expected.

2. I also didn't expect it to be a hardback book, although that's not really a point against it...it's just that hardback books tend to be more expensive than paperbacks.

3. High-glossy paper! Not newsprint-style paper like all those auto repair manuals usually are. If the book was 800 pages instead of 160, then I'd have been mondo impressed.

4. Not a whole lot of text, and the text there is seems to come from either past publications or straight from the novels (i.e. the history of the Ent-B taken from "Serpents Among the Ruins") So does that mean that anything lifted from a novel is now official because it's in an official publication, i.e. the TNG Tech Manual or the Encyclopedia? Or is this book not really an official reference work?

5. I do like the CGI renders of all the ships, although as ST-One said, the Ent-C and Ent-D look a bit off to me. But I wouldn't say they were horrendously bad or out of proportion. It's no different than the subtle differences between the physical Nebula class model and the CGI one.

6. I doubt I'll buy it, unless I buy it at Amazon for 40% less. I KNOW I won't buy it at B&N. But the ironic thing is, if it were 800 pages and cost more money, but also had 800 pages of really interesting, useful material that I had never seen or read about before, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
 
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To clarify my opinion, I don't dislike the book. I just don't like it nearly enough to justify spending a sizeable fraction of the book's retail price for it.
 
This is an excellent example of why - far from being "more discerning" - the hardcore are understood to be the part of fandom that can be taken for granted by the Franchise: most of them will buy whatever the name "Star Trek" is stamped on.

After all, it's what kept Voyager on the air for seven seasons, Enterprise on the air for a fourth season when any other show in as bad a shape as that show would've been canned immediately, and made a mediocre Michael Bay wannabe explodapalooza plot-free movie into a mid level blockbuster.

A serious note about oversaturation, though: A while back, Elfquest was a rip-roaring franchise, with something like a dozen different comic book titles on the shelves at any given time. There came a time when the readers had enough with "yet another Elfquest title", and they not only didn't buy the new titles, they stopped buying the old titles, and the whole thing pretty much collapsed. It could be argued that Star Trek reached that same point some time back.
 
Well, we WANTED new tech manuals and art books, but all we were given was novels. If they are or were trying to "test the waters" of the market for these books again, they should at least have done a better job of things.
 
Unfortunately, if sales of the Haynes manual aren't up to the level that's expected it'll be argued that the fans don't support tech manuals and we won't see another one for a long time. The quality of the book won't be taken into consideration, just the lack of sales.
 
If all they can put out are sub-par publications, then it's best they find something else to do. My question, not having seen the book yet myself, is how does it compare to Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise, Franz Joseph's Tech Manual, or the Next Gen Tech Manual?
 
Has anyone from Canada got it yet from Chapters? They still haven't shipped mine yet and there is none yet in the stock in the store. I just went through this problem with them a couple weeks ago with The Brilliant Book of Doctor Who 2011 which was delayed almost a week and shipped a couple days ago, I'm expecting it tomorrow.
 
I just got mine today from Amazon. I wish I would have just gotten it at B&N, because they had it on the 1st of the month, and I could have just picked it up then, instead of waiting for frakkin' Amazon to ship it, and get it 4 days late.
 
Got it. It's okay - I've spent more money on worse books. All the cutaways save two are pretty awful. The two NOT awful ones are the refit, because it's clearly a tracing of the kimble poster, and the E, which is apparently a tracing of the SciPubTech poster. The rest are original, and... meh.

All the 3D renders are way too dark, too.
 
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