USS Discovery is the perfect ship for Section 31

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

So...you need to get in & out or make a quick getaway, but your enemy can match your top warp speed? Have I got a ship for you! USS Discovery!

Discovery represents not only the ideal ship for covert shenanigans, but also the ideal conflict-of-interest because of having the Emperor on-board. No doubt she would use it ruthlessly, but since Discovery can move through space, dimensions AND TIME, is there a possibility that she would take the 1 ship in the universe that could get her home, and rewind things back to when she still had the throne?

Whether this season or 6 seasons from now, this seems like a probable scenario in one way or another. It would be an ideal explanation for why Discovery seemed to disappear from history altogether. And if the Emperor returns to her flagship in the Terran universe, she could use it to poison the Mycelial network forever, thereby making sure she couldn't be pursued from this universe, but also providing an explanation for why the network is never used later on.

Discovery, at some point, could be the emperor's new groove.

 

[Tuskin38]

And if the Emperor returns to her flagship in the Terran universe

It was destroyed.

It would be an ideal explanation for why Discovery seemed to disappear from history altogether.

It still exists 1000 years in the future.

, she could use it to poison the Mycelial network forever, thereby making sure she couldn't be pursued from this universe, but also providing an explanation for why the network is never used later on.

Doing that would destroy the Multiverse

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

It was destroyed.


It still exists 1000 years in the future.


Doing that would destroy the Multiverse

Please read whole post. The Emperor would be going back in time and reclaiming her flagship.

The fact that Discovery was present 1,000 years in the future doesn't mean that that was its final destination. We all know that time travel went both ways in the ST universe, so that Trek Short has to be taken with a grain of salt. That could've even happened in MU for all we know.

I'm sure she could find a way to poison the network without destroying the Multiverse.

 

[Lord Garth]

@The Wormhole has a theory on how things about "Calypso" might work. I don't know what it is, but I think I can see how that might work too. It's way too early in the series to know how Discovery will ultimately turn out. Never reveal your hand this early in the game.

So...you need to get in & out or make a quick getaway, but your enemy can match your top warp speed? Have I got a ship for you! USS Discovery!

Discovery represents not only the ideal ship for covert shenanigans, but also the ideal conflict-of-interest because of having the Emperor on-board. No doubt she would use it ruthlessly, but since Discovery can move through space, dimensions AND TIME, is there a possibility that she would take the 1 ship in the universe that could get her home, and rewind things back to when she still had the throne?

Whether this season or 6 seasons from now, this seems like a probable scenario in one way or another. It would be an ideal explanation for why Discovery seemed to disappear from history altogether. And if the Emperor returns to her flagship in the Terran universe, she could use it to poison the Mycelial network forever, thereby making sure she couldn't be pursued from this universe, but also providing an explanation for why the network is never used later on.

Discovery, at some point, could be the emperor's new groove.

I like this idea. It would make "No Section 31 Series until Discovery finishes!" a lot easier to take. And it would put Discovery on more unconventional missions.

EDIT: The only wrinkle -- or maybe it's not a wrinkle -- is I can't see Stamets wanting anything to do with a Discovery under Section 31 if Tyler is there. Unless Culber is back. Otherwise, I don't know why Stamets would want to do anything to help them.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

@The Wormhole has a theory on how things about "Calypso" might work. I don't know what it is, but I think I can see how that might work too. It's way too early in the series to know how Discovery will ultimately turn out. Never reveal your hand this early in the game.



I like this idea. It would make "No Section 31 Series until Discovery finishes!" a lot easier to take. And it would put Discovery on more unconventional missions.

EDIT: The only wrinkle -- or maybe it's not a wrinkle -- is I can't see Stamets wanting anything to do with a Discovery under Section 31 if Tyler is there. Unless Culber is back. Otherwise, I don't know why Stamets would want to do anything to help them.

Yes, but Tilly is working on something right now that would make Stamets not necessary at all. That would take him out of the equation altogether.

There's something deviously appealing about making everything about Burnham, Burnham, Burnham, and then ripping the rug out from that concept. I like Burnham, and if she continues to be the central character, awesome! But I could see this being the trajectory for things, whether sooner or later. Who knows, though.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

All it needs is a cloak.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

@The Wormhole has a theory on how things about "Calypso" might work. I don't know what it is, but I think I can see how that might work too. It's way too early in the series to know how Discovery will ultimately turn out. Never reveal your hand this early in the game.



I like this idea. It would make "No Section 31 Series until Discovery finishes!" a lot easier to take. And it would put Discovery on more unconventional missions.

EDIT: The only wrinkle -- or maybe it's not a wrinkle -- is I can't see Stamets wanting anything to do with a Discovery under Section 31 if Tyler is there. Unless Culber is back. Otherwise, I don't know why Stamets would want to do anything to help them.

Ah, but section 31, and Georgiou in particular would not have those same qualms as starfleet in further genetic manipulation. Stamets need not be the only pilot.

To me, the problem is that there is no Federation in the MU, and that is supposedly who the v'draysh are meant to be a distant incarnation of.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Ah, but section 31, and Georgiou in particular would not have those same qualms as starfleet in further genetic manipulation. Stamets need not be the only pilot.

She definitely seems to be a persuasive person. In the first couple episodes of Season 1 where we got introduced to Discovery, it definitely had a "covert" feel to it. It might not take much to bring that back if it gets re-purposed.

 

[TrickyDickie]

The possibilities are endless.

The Crossfield-class ships have some similarities here and there to elements found on USS Vengeance, from Into Darkness. Maybe Section 31 was responsible for coming up with the design of the Crossfield-class, or elements of?

Seems like Starfleet was pretty quick to write-off USS Glenn and have Lorca destroy her, without attempting a salvage operation. Yes, wartime and all that relates to that, but on the other hand what secrets might they have wanted to keep from their own people? Just makes you wonder....

 

[Timo]

The Discovery was famed for being capable of hosting hundreds of parallel experiments. We might do well to assume she and the Glenn indeed did so, and the Spore Drive of Stamets and Straal was just one of those. Up and until this experiment panned out, the ships hosted separate teams doing their own things (algae-based phasers, time travel rings, forehead-smoothing potions, whatnot) in great secrecy, the separation maintained by black-badged guards at key doorways. When Straal made the breakthrough by enslaving the tardigrade, the other teams were shooed out of the airlock (perhaps into waiting ships, perhaps not) and the black badges withdrawn. Because, you know, the skipper was already black-badged enough, and capable enough of keeping a mere hundred meek scientists in line.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Gonzo]

It seems that the ship may become lost in space or potentially be thrown forward in time, hard to say if any of the crew go with it.

I haven't watched the short treks though to know the details.

 

[Tuskin38]

It seems that the ship may become lost in space or potentially be thrown forward in time, hard to say if any of the crew go with it.

I haven't watched the short treks though to know the details.

The episode only says it's been abandoned, it never says when or how.

Though we do know it got a brand new shuttle right before it happened, wasn't even there long enough to be named.

 

[XCV330]

Ah, but section 31, and Georgiou in particular would not have those same qualms as starfleet in further genetic manipulation. Stamets need not be the only pilot.

To me, the problem is that there is no Federation in the MU, and that is supposedly who the v'draysh are meant to be a distant incarnation of.

There were signs that some equivalent of a Federation could occur eventualy in the MU, possibly an Anti-Terran one.

There's no saying which universe Discovery wound up parked in. Just one with Betty Boop, Fred Astaire and Audrey Hepburn and Taco Tuesdays.

 

[Gonzo]

The episode only says it's been abandoned, it never says when or how.

Though we do know it got a brand new shuttle right before it happened, wasn't even there long enough to be named.

Does it at least say where it is found?

 

[Tuskin38]

Does it at least say where it is found?

No.

 

[Timo]

What the ship claims is that she was told in no uncertain words to "stay". Since she obeys, the order probably came from her legitimate users. And since there's only that one warpshuttle, those users probably left in the others. And since the ship is in fairly good repair even though she claims she isn't completely up to the job, there probably wasn't catastrophic damage to force the abandoning.

Doesn't mean the legitimate users wouldn't have been working for Section 31. Or against the interests of Starfleet or the Federation; Kirk retained clearance in the eyes of the Enterprise even when hijacking her for a mission that violated explicit Starfleet orders and bans.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[thribs]

The Vengeance is the perfect ship. Just needs a cloak.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Vengeance is the perfect ship

Far from it.

 

[RedAlert]

Not precisely the Discovery... could just the S31 steal/take/remove the spore drive from the Discovery and adapt to their own ship ...that gives a good way out to the "spore drive canon problem that is never know again in the future" and the Discovery could back to the exploring missions that Star Trek supposed to be without contaminate the future.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Not precisely the Discovery... could just the S31 steal/take/remove the spore drive from the Discovery and adapt to their own ship ...that gives a good way out to the "spore drive canon problem that is never know again in the future" and the Discovery could back to the exploring missions that Star Trek supposed to be without contaminate the future.

It doesn't look that way because Discovery itself is designed for it, which is evident every time the saucer section gets spinning as the spore drive is activating. I'm not clear on what purpose that actually serves beyond being a distinctive visual to look at, but supposedly it ties in to the spore drive in a way that makes Discovery's design to be custom-made for the task. If they wanna build another sister ship with Disco's specs, that's an option, too. I could also envision a battle between such a ship and Discovery, possibly across time and space itself.