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Or they are so spread out that it takes years to recall Starfleet's outer fleets from the various borders and the loss of 40 ships, either from the reserve, or some of the new replacement ships, might be enough to cause the Federation to be at a disadvantage on the Cardassian border when combined with the need to patrol the Romulan border seriously for the first time in many decades. Add to this the "new threat" of the Ferengi, and you start to get a Starfleet that is spread a bit too far that they have to scrap the bottom of the barrel for a 22 ship blockade only a year after Wolf 359 and still they seem short of ships until basically a year before the Dominion invade the Alpha Quadrant, and the War with the Klingon Empire where they start losing starships to the Klingons again. By six months prior to the invasion, Starfleet seems to have finally started to regroup in the core so they can redeploy to the either the Cardassian or Klingon borders. But it seems like it took years to do that.

As for Picard's actions, it might have to do with the technological improvements of the Galaxy and Nebula class starships more than anything else. The older ships seem to be more evenly matched with the Cardassian Galor class, with the seemingly rare Ambassador-class being probably one of Starfleet's few superior ships types from the previous decades. The Constellations were underpowered. The Mirandas are really old. The Excelsiors might be able to hold their own, but we can't be sure of that. The other newer ships don't seem to worry the Cardassians too much other than the Galaxy class and Nebula class. Though to be fair, we don't know what anyone in universe things of the First Contact ships, nor when they were actually produced. They might be the anti-Borg fleet. They might be the new ear combat ships designed to counter the Dominion. They might be the previous generation of starships that were built to rebuff the Cardassians during that war. We just don't know much about those ships, nor the other classes of random ships Starfleet had at Wolf 359.
 
I'm not so sure about the more advanced bit - the Ambassador just looks like a bigger Excelsior, but with a throwback secondary hull more akin to Kirk's ones. There could have been a "generation" of ships featuring a first wave of all designs but successive batches of only certain smaller, attrition types

I'd have to disagree. The Ambassador class looks more advanced than the Excelsior class, and certainly more advanced than the Miranda class. Just because it has a circular secondary hull is not an indication that the ship is older.

The same doesn't appear to be the immediately evident case with the "generation" involving the likes of Steamrunner or the one involving the Galaxy, though - the second coming of Galaxy lookalikes might still be in the future, but where's the second coming of those dark and angular Steamrunners and Sabers? (Well, the Saber numbers actually are high enough to put them in the rehash category if we wish to read them that way.)

I always had the impression that the Galaxy class was in fact the last type of vessel from that "family" (i.e. the New Orleans, Springfield, Challenger, Cheyenne, Nebula, Freedom and Niagara classes were first and in service for decades, based on their registry numbers), it just happened to be the largest. And that after the Galaxy class, Starfleet decided to scale their ship sizes back a la the Intrepid and Prometheus classes.
 
Or the Sovereign class, for that matter.

We haven't seen a big modern ship yet. Doesn't mean squat, really - she could be lurking just behind the next planet. Nothing on screen suggests Starfleet would be putting any special emphasis on Intrepid or Nova or Prometheus, besides building at least one of each.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Nothing on screen suggests Starfleet would be putting any special emphasis on Intrepid or Nova or Prometheus, besides building at least one of each.

Conversely, nothing on screen suggests Starfleet isn't making hundreds of Intrepids, Novas or Prometheuses either.
 
We just tend to see more Mirandas, Excelsiors, Akiras, Sabers, and Steamrunners, with a splash of Galaxy and sometimes Nebula class ships in the later parts of DS9.

The Norway is appearently absent after the Battle of Sector 001 (CG model was corrupted or something like that)
 
We just tend to see more Mirandas, Excelsiors, Akiras, Sabers, and Steamrunners, with a splash of Galaxy and sometimes Nebula class ships in the later parts of DS9.

The Norway is appearently absent after the Battle of Sector 001 (CG model was corrupted or something like that)

The ships we saw in the DS9 fleet shots were based on what CGI models they had available. The Akira, Saber and Steamrunner meshes were originally ILM's and were given to the DS9 VFX department to remap. ILM also gave them a CGI model of the Miranda class U.S.S. Saratoga NCC-31911 (that's right, Sisko's old destroyed ship), in its original configuration. They also had a Nebula class CGI model originally made for VOY and used as the Honshu in DS9. And they scanned the Enterprise-D and Greg Jein's Excelsior physical models into CGI. The Norway mesh was apparently lost. What's interesting is that ILM also had a CGI Oberth (you can barely see it in FC), but apparently it was so low-poly that it was unusable for close up shots.

I would have preferred that they created all new ship designs for the fleet scenes, but apparently it's easier to scan a physical model into CGI than it is to create an all new design from scratch.
 
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Well, it's not so much "scanning" the physical model (especially in those days). Scanned models are terrible, and generally only useful as placeholders or reference for something hand-modeled. I'm not sure why they only did physical kit-bash designs for DS9 rather than digital ones- They had a 3D Miranda and Excelsior, for instance, so they'd be able to make CG versions of ships like the Centaur, Curry, and Raging Queen just as easily and they made the ones they used out of model kits, and without the mismatched scales that drive us all nuts. It could've just been different areas of responsibility and expertise; IIRC, the DS9 Frankenstein fleet was built by people directly attached to the show, while the CG effects were all done by outside vendors.
 
CGI was used sparingly until the Sacrifice of Angels battle. The Way of the Warrior, Call to Arms etc all used physical models. I presume it was too costly until it became a necessity to use CGI for the large scale battles.
 
Way of the Warrior: Negh'var, the Vorchas and the Venture were all physical studio models. The BoPs, K't'ingas, the two Excelsiors and the Miranda docked at DS9 were model kits.

Call to Arms: The fleet shot at the end consisted of CGI models of the Akira, Steamrunner, Saber, and Defiant. Physical studio models: Galaxy, Excelsior, Vorcha. Models kits/Hallmark ornaments: Miranda, K't'inga, BoP.

A Time to Stand: CGI Defiant and Akira, studio model of Excelsior and fighter craft; all other ships were made from model kits.

Ships at Starbase 375: All model kits except CGI Defiant, physical model Galaxy class and possibly Excelsior.


After that, all fleet shots were 100% CGI.
 
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