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US gunship kills civilians, fires on ambulance and reuters reporters

Re: US gunship kills civilians, fires on ambulance and reuters reporte

Legitimate targets or not, Kirk often engaged Klingon scout ships.
 
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The violence inflicted on civilians during war these days is nothing compared to the 20th century norms, in which we incinerated them by the hundreds of thousands without so much as a press release.

huh? We incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians without so much as a press release? In one blow? That was the norm?

I assume gturner refers to the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. In which case it was reported in the media worldwide within 24 hours and the death toll was also known very soon after. No one sat on it. Same goes for the bombing of Dresden which was the largest pre-nuke "incineration".

Other than that, it wasn't till the Vietnam War that we started to have same-day coverage of events and this resulted in reports of massacres and other acknowledged incidents.

After that, it really wasn't until the bombs began falling on Baghdad in front of CNN's cameras during live broadcasts in 1991 that we started to see war as it happened. And it was only around that time the really good technology for recording images from the cockpit came to prominence. The first time I'd ever seen such footage was during the 1991 Gulf War.

Back to gturner's point, if the technology had existed back then, not to mention the strong "freedom of the press" will that exists today (and was arguably ushered in during Watergate) you can bet there would have been a lot of footage of this nature from WWI and WWII, on both sides. In particular the Nazis probably would have had the cameras rolling all the time in the camps.

Alex
 
Re: US gunship kills civilians, fires on ambulance and reuters reporte

The violence inflicted on civilians during war these days is nothing compared to the 20th century norms, in which we incinerated them by the hundreds of thousands without so much as a press release.

huh? We incinerated hundreds of thousands of civilians without so much as a press release? In one blow? That was the norm?

I assume gturner refers to the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. In which case it was reported in the media worldwide within 24 hours and the death toll was also known very soon after. No one sat on it. Same goes for the bombing of Dresden which was the largest pre-nuke "incineration".

I wasn't refering to those bombings, which are famous, but to the fact that all the other, far worse bombing aren't famous. We dropped more tonnage on Leipzig than on Dresden, and dropped five times more tonnage on Essen. When was the last time you heard someone talking about the bombing of Essen? What about Cologne, which we hit with six times the tonnage we dropped on Dresden? What about Munich, Hamburg, Berlin?

What about all the other Japanese cities that weren't Hiroshima and Nagasaki? We had firebombed and flattened sixty-seven Japanese cities before dropping the A-bombs, killing around a half-million people. How many Americans can even name twelve Japanese cities, much less sixty-seven?
 
Re: US gunship kills civilians, fires on ambulance and reuters reporte

My .02 cents, if you are a reporter and you decide to join up with either side in a conflict and get shot; it's your own damn fault. Maybe you should have chosen sides differently or perhaps just observed from a far; you take chances and ultimately pay the consequences good or bad.
 
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