Ezri II
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Just me, but I do find men are more willing to talk about women more if their breasts were huge. And then, the would talk less about a women if she has no breasts to talk about.
UPN and Voyager
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Just me, but I do find men are more willing to talk about women more if their breasts were huge. And then, the would talk less about a women if she has no breasts to talk about.
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Just me, but I do find men are more willing to talk about women more if their breasts were huge. And then, the would talk less about a women if she has no breasts to talk about.
Folks DO love to talk about T'Pol and Seven's breasts on this forum. It gives them another yet another thing to bash Berman and Braga about. They need those big breasts for more than just drooling.
OT but Federation headquarters is in Paris. It's Starfleet headquarters that's in San Francisco.
UPN was a creative disaster for VOY and a ratings disaster for ENT, in addition to Berman and Braga's own limitations.
Federation HQ in Paris escaped my notice all these years. So, I looked up Sandrine's in Marseille at Memory Alpha and found I needed a refresher on this, too:
Marseille Starfleet base
The Marseille Starfleet base is a satellite campus of Starfleet Academy in San Francisco.
In an alternate timeline, Lieutenant Junior Grade Tom Paris completed courses at the Marseille Starfleet base during his years as a cadet. (VOY: "Non Sequitur")
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x11/homefront_291.jpg
The same painting was used in the President's Office in TUC too.
It seems to me that a break is exactly what they originally tried to do.
Remember, Enterprise was just Enterprise when it first aired. It was not Star Trek. They weren't trying to make a Star Trek series.
They tried to make sexed-up SciFi series that was not like Star Trek to attract hip new young fans instead of stale old Star Trek fans. Of course, that failed miserably and no one watched Enterprise other than a very small fraction of hardcore, old Star Trek fans. So they slapped the "Star Trek" label onto it in Season 3 to at least try to keep some of them watching, and maybe bring in some of the much larger Star Trek fanbase who weren't watching it.
Anyhow, my point is they weren't looking at it as 'two Star Trek serieses back to back'. They were looking at Enterprise as a revolutionary new brand - then retconned that idea away after it failed miserably 2 seasons into Enterprise's run.
To be honest, Berman himself thought it was a bad idea to put ENT on TV so soon after VOY as well. He wanted to wait a few years and hire a new staff of writers to work it all out before they started developing the show.
Naturally, UPN said no, just like they said no to nearly everything Berman, Piller and Braga wanted to do with VOY years earlier.
I may be getting slightly off-topic here...(and yes, I've checked Wikipedia)...but can someone explain the syndication/network differences?
TNG/DS9 were syndicated, while VOY was on a network.
Because TNG/DS9 were syndicated (i.e. sold to a network, created at a production company) they had more freedom, correct? Whereas VOY, being on a network, didn't have as much freedom because they--the network--were calling the shots, right? (And, I'm assuming, were the ones financing VOY).
Oh, dear.
TNG/DS9 were syndicated, while VOY was on a network.
Because TNG/DS9 were syndicated (i.e. sold to a network, created at a production company) they had more freedom, correct? Whereas VOY, being on a network, didn't have as much freedom because they--the network--were calling the shots, right? (And, I'm assuming, were the ones financing VOY).
Oh, dear.
number6
Vice Admiral
No. Enterprise was and is as much a Star Trek show as any of the others. The producers felt that calling it Star Trek: Enterprise was kinda dumb and redundant. UPN made them change it because they were worried that people wouldn't know that it was a Star Trek show.
Anyone who had been following the development and evolution of the series would know that.
I enjoyed ENT and to a much lesser extent VOY. I don't like how UPN interfered with both shows. It was much their detriment and contributed heavily to the demise of televised Star Trek.
Boy Wonder
Lieutenant
Actually I do have a serious question and this seems as good as thread as any to ask about it in! As a fan of Ds9, TNG and Voy... I missed the whole Enterprise bandwagon... was it axed? Why did it do poorly? I think I saw one episode when it originally aired and couldnt stand it so I never saw it again (plus I am in Australia and it hardly saw the light of day here, I think it was on in the middle of the night once)... can someone fill me in on what happened to it, what went wrong? I would ask this in the other forums but I never post anywhere but here...
Lucy yes it was axed and if you jump over to the ENT forum you will find plenty of debate as to why.
I did NOT like ENT when I first watched it but some of that had to do with it being on at midnight, never on at the time actually listed, 3 million sex-chat commercials in between each scene.. yes I watched it in Australia too.
Then I d/l'ed it all and watched it in my own time, sans commercials. It is now an equal favorite with VOY (which I adore). There are MANY wonderful things about it. Seasons 3 and 4 are quite different than seasons 1 and 2 and they each have their fascinations. I have since bought it all on dvd, quite cheap now.
I would think VOY fans would be amenable to ENT for many reasons. Please give it another shot!
At least ENT replaced VOY as the fanboy punching bag. I remember defending VOY on mailing lists for years pre-ENT. Now I spend my time defending ENT.
Hahahaha, how could anybody forgot the sex chat commercials. From lavaline to T'Pol and from 'Naked Hot Babes directly to you mobile' to the Suliban.
I never really liked Enterprise though. I wanted another twenty forth century Star Trek, not some cheap crap closer to our future.
And I hated how it was only T'Pol, Archer and Trip, and the storylines all felt like lacklustre rip offs of prior series.
I think creating Enterprise was a mistake, they easily could have had another season of Voyager in the Alpha quadrant, but used some of DS9 as well showing all the post war rebuilding
Ok just kidding. I'm an Aussie and don't even understand the whole network thing over there... lol. As an avid Voy fan I would have loved another 10 series... you know, Kathryn and Chuckles in a nursing home... etc.
Actually I do have a serious question and this seems as good as thread as any to ask about it in! As a fan of Ds9, TNG and Voy... I missed the whole Enterprise bandwagon... was it axed? Why did it do poorly? I think I saw one episode when it originally aired and couldnt stand it so I never saw it again (plus I am in Australia and it hardly saw the light of day here, I think it was on in the middle of the night once)... can someone fill me in on what happened to it, what went wrong? I would ask this in the other forums but I never post anywhere but here...
Well, T'Pol was a cheap copy of 7 of 9. T'Pol was in a catsuit also and 7 of 9 as a D cup does not have to worry about T'Pol's C cups.
The reason I had a problem with ENTERPRISE, was the attack on Earth with the XINDI a species that never was reported in Star Trek history attacked Earth with a single man with a suicide mission that killed 6 million people. It was also bad as the attack was on the state of Florida and Trip's sister lived in Florida and was killed. I got tired of the word FLORIDA FLORIDA FLORIDA to say over again Americans were killed. Why the writters would bring up that right after 9/11 and spend an entire season with it was a bad idea.
It may not be that insulting to you but it was for me. Since you are from Australia, you would feel insulted if the entire season was to talk about an attack on Australia.
If there was an attack on Earth. Maybe it would have been best not to know the location and not to make it a single person on a suicide mission.
Who cares if they bombed Australia, probably be doing us a favour, no more kissing America's arse and no more being dragged down by America and their stupid crisis they have managed to involve the globe in.
Yes, T'Pol just felt like a poor man's version of Seven. Fake tan, fake tits, fake hair, fake acting.
Well, I adored Voyager from the outset, despite all the comings and goings behind the scenes which I'm positive affected the show in various detrimental ways over the years. Still, I took the show as it came and enjoyed it all.
That said, I would haved LOVED to see a few more seasons of Voyager instead of them jumping right into a totally new series. But I believe the writers left onboard felt they had done just as much as they could with the characaters and were more than ready to tie things up. I'd also read that 7 seasons seems to be the breaking point for most 1 hour dramas - before they become too unwieldly financially. Everyone gets those contracted pay raises each year apparently and then the show becomes too expensive to produce.
However... that doesn't say why shows like CSI and Law & Order seem to be able to go on and on year after year with no problems....
That said, I would haved LOVED to see a few more seasons of Voyager instead of them jumping right into a totally new series. But I believe the writers left onboard felt they had done just as much as they could with the characaters and were more than ready to tie things up. I'd also read that 7 seasons seems to be the breaking point for most 1 hour dramas - before they become too unwieldly financially. Everyone gets those contracted pay raises each year apparently and then the show becomes too expensive to produce.
However... that doesn't say why shows like CSI and Law & Order seem to be able to go on and on year after year with no problems....
