Updated: Star Trek (2009) vs. The Rest of the Franchise
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So safe to say Luman that 2 most successful Trek movies at the box office are the Motion Picture(1) and Star Trek(11). Both a odd numbered Trek films.
And they are the 2 movies with a good budget that looked great on the big screen so I think their box office success is well deserved. And they just happen to be the 2 Trek movies that I liked the most.
So safe to say Luman that 2 most successful Trek movies at the box office are the Motion Picture(1) and Star Trek(11). Both a odd numbered Trek films.
I would also add the Voyage Home to that list. Not only does it have the 2nd highest adjusted box office ($212m) it has the highest adjusted domestic profit (adjusted domestic boxoffice - adjusted budget = $160m). The new movie will have to exceed $310m to generate that kind of domestic, first run profit.
TWOK has a lower adjusted boxoffice ($173m), but it cost peanuts to make. Adjusted budget of $24m resulting in an adjusted domestic profit of $149m, not too far off from TVH profits.
Folks, it's hard to compare anything over the course of 30 years given how much has changed in the entertainment industry and the population growth. But, it appears that, generally speaking, given the adjusted figures and the fact that both the new movie and TMP will be about #4 within it's year, the new movie about matches the best performing movies from before.
Mr Awe
Yah I think TMP is more of a "number 2" movie.
So safe to say Luman that 2 most successful Trek movies at the box office are the Motion Picture(1) and Star Trek(11). Both a odd numbered Trek films.
And they are the 2 movies with a good budget that looked great on the big screen so I think their box office success is well deserved. And they just happen to be the 2 Trek movies that I liked the most.
the only odd-numbered "bad" TOS movie is TFF. and even that one is chockful of good-to-great TOS moments. I don't believe in this "odd-numbered-movies-suck" theory. it sucks, if you ask me.
I don't know because in 1980 the top rated Empire Strikes Back made $533.9 million worldwide against 2th place Superman 2 who made $108.2 million. There huge gap between this 2 films.
Anyway i googled and found this site http://www.teako170.com/box80-89.html that list box office tops.
Here is more anylasis to look at.
rank --US --Intern.-worldwide
004 $ 82.3 $ 56.7 $ 139.0 The Motion Picture(1979)
006 $ 78.9 $ 18.1 $ 97.0 The Wrath of Khan(1982)
007 $ 76.4 $ 10.6 $ 87.0 The Search for Spock (1984)
006 $ 109.7 $ 23.3 $ 133.0 The Voyage Home(1986)
014 $ 74.9 $ 22.0 $ 96.9 The Undiscovered Country(1991)
I couldnt find the Final Frontier on the top 25 list
please note this unadjusted numbers and worldwide ranking.
Word.
Millions? Really?
Nope. I think this is BS blaming TMP for failure of subsequent movies. There is lot of reason why fewer people went to see f.c. TWOK. First the actors look almost 10 years older from the previous film TMP. TWOK was handed down to Paramount TV devision and under Harve Bennett a TV producer. Harve hired a TV director Nick Mayer. TWOK just looked cheap compared to TMP.
This is true. I know I was disappointed the first time I saw TWOK on the big screen. It did look cheap compared to TMP. The decision to use lower budgets to increase profit did hurt the subsequent movies, increasing actors salaries didn't help either.
But I think Jeri has a very valid point too. TMP with it's 2001 A Space Odyssey style probably didn't appeal to many mainstream viewers and they probably didn't bother with the following movies.
TWOK didn't look cheap to me. And the story was the best. However, I don't think any of the early movies damaged the later ones. Look at the adjusted domestic box take for them: $240m, $174m, $156m, $212m. All nice and solid.
However, there is a definite downward, linear trend over the entire series, including the TNG movies. It matches the consistently lower ratings of each subsequent TV series after TNG, and the later seasons of those series being lower than the earlier.
Trek fatigue.
Mr Awe
I think this is a natural trend for any type of serie. In general, sequels are not really as good as the first one which doesn't help but even when they are, long series will inevitably see a drop in interest.
By itself maybe not. But compared to TMP and on the big screen it did. And it was not just TWOK, none of the subsequent movies had the big screen movie feel that TMP had. The closest they came was with TVH, FC and the much maligned Nemesis. STXI is the first movie since TMP that has that big sceen epic movie feel.
That list is comparing apples to oranges, though. Empire's numbers include earnings from it's 1982 and 1997 re-releases. Empire grossed $209,398,025 domestically on its 1980 release according to Box Office Mojo, about $81M less than what that site shows. I don't know how much of that international total is from the rereleases.
Not only does the Superman II figure not include international numbers, but Superman II wasn't even released in 1980! It came out in 1981, so I'd take that website with a grain of salt.
That is true; I never realized that, but it is like 2001... I can see your point about enjoying it as a bookend to Star Trek XI in that way. Maybe casual viewers of TMP were hoping more for Star Wars than 2001...
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Nope - None of the TNG films held a candle (Box Office wise) when compared to the TOS feature films.
In the end, I do really like TMP, but I think it suffered the common filmmaking sin of trying to be too much to too many different people.
