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Universal Studios Classic Monsters Extended Universe - wuh?

I've said it before, but no one seems to want to build a franchise one brick at a time any more. They all want a cinematic universe right now! And like DC, Universal already fumbled the ball once. Dracula Untold was supposed to be the start of the "UMCU" but now they've quietly decided to start over with The Mummy instead.
 
I think the idea of a Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe is cool, but seeing how hard it seems to be to get these things to work, I do question if we'll actually see it in the form they intend.
They may have to hit it out of the park as Van Helsing, Penny Dreadful, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, True Blood, Underworld and more have already done the combine the classic monsters business. Hell, even Twilight went there. Really though, this has been happening steadily since The Munsters (and sooner surely, no need to debate!) and as mentioned here in the movies themselves.

I don't think you're going to wow anyone by having Dracula in the same room as Frankenstein or The Wolf Man. It's going to come down to execution to make this work.
 
And Toho, of course, later carried on the tradition with Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra, Ghidorah, and that crew.

Yup -- not just in reusing the same monsters, but in not reusing characters even though the same actors kept showing up in movie after movie. The scientist that Takashi Shimura played in the original Godzilla did come back for a brief exposition scene in the first sequel, but for the most part, they kept bringing back the same actors to play totally different characters -- or the same role in the story (scientist, love interest, etc.) under a different name.

The freakiest case is Frankenstein vs. Baragon (aka Frankenstein Conquers the World) and Frankenstein's Monsters: Sanda vs. Gaira (aka War of the Gargantuas). The latter was a direct sequel that overtly referred back to events and continuity details from the former film, and yet all three of the lead characters were renamed, two of them were recast, their home base was changed from Hiroshima to Kyoto, and Frankenstein was redesigned from a Neanderthal-like giant with a visible human face to a rubber-masked Bigfoot-type monster. It's weird that they'd leave in so many connections to the prior film and yet still change those details. And the English dub effaced the connections to the previous film altogether, changing the creatures from "Frankensteins" to "Gargantuas" (substituting Rabelais for Shelley, basically). I guess they figured American audiences would be too puzzled by "Frankensteins" that looked more like Bigfoot.
 
I've said it before, but no one seems to want to build a franchise one brick at a time any more. They all want a cinematic universe right now! And like DC, Universal already fumbled the ball once. Dracula Untold was supposed to be the start of the "UMCU" but now they've quietly decided to start over with The Mummy instead.
I actually enjoyed DU. Other than it being too tame on the gore side I thought it was a good origin story for Dracula.
 
I've said it before, but no one seems to want to build a franchise one brick at a time any more. They all want a cinematic universe right now! And like DC, Universal already fumbled the ball once. Dracula Untold was supposed to be the start of the "UMCU" but now they've quietly decided to start over with The Mummy instead.
I haven't seen it yet, but I read online that it has a present day post-credits scene. Was that supposed to be the set up for the shared universe?
 
Dunno, I never bothered to see it. I was just going by what the producer said at the time of release. :)
 
They could always treat it as a semicanon story if they wanted to bring Luke Evans back as Dracula. The movie wasn't a huge success but it did make a little bit of money.
 
I haven't seen it yet, but I read online that it has a present day post-credits scene. Was that supposed to be the set up for the shared universe?

Basically its an origin story/tragic love story set in medieval transylvania that tells about how Vlad Dracul became Dracula - then, after the story is over and he's doomed to be a vampire forever, you see a scene of him walking down a modern street dressed in a fancy suit and he runs into a girl who looks exactly like the love of his life back in transylvania (presumably some kind of reincarnation). Probably just the fact that he jumps to modern times was supposed to be part of the set up for the shared universe, since it would allow him to crossover with all the other characters who aren't from medieval transylvania, but it didn't go into any deeper details than that.
 
I believe that Dracula Untold was meant to be a standalone film and had the present-day tag scene added in reshoots once Universal began to develop its plans for a shared film universe.
 
I know, I own most of them. It was a curious continuity of it's own in the day, before the idea of the 40's monster mash era came about.

I just meant it's weird how that fell out of fashion until all of a sudden Marvel made it cool, and every studio jumped on it, Universal last.

At least tell me Van Helsing 2019 is going to have a better cast.

Prior to the current era of reboots and sequels, most film buffs saw Universal's approach of blending monsters together in the 40s as a sign of franchise fatigue, not an early blueprint for success.

I mean, the whole wrestling-match titles with X meets Y or X vs. Y is kind of a code-word for B-movie schlock. Like Freddy vs. Jason or Alien vs. Predator more recently. Now, I've got nothing against B-movie schlock, but that's different from the lofty goals of the Marvel Cinematic Universe doing justice to or even elevating its source material. Whether MCU actually does that is debatable, but that's their declared intent, whereas I'm not sure Universal ever really claimed its monster movies had any great meaning or artistic merit to them.
 
I mean, the whole wrestling-match titles with X meets Y or X vs. Y is kind of a code-word for B-movie schlock.

It's the standard formula for most Japanese giant-monster movie titles, whether B-movies or relatively big-budget ones. Even the ones that get more diverse titles in English are usually "X vs. Y" in the original title (for instance, Frankenstein Conquers the World is really Frankenstein vs. Subterranean Monster Baragon).
 
Then again, Japanese giant-monster movies are arguably B-movie schlock.

Most of nerd culture was about taking B-movie schlock seriously. Nerds saw it as more than that, and I'm not just talking about Forbidden Planet and Day the Earth Stood Still.

The difference is that today, pop culture IS nerd culture and Comic Con is the new Cannes. So the average filmgoer has a more reverent opinion of sci-fi, superheroes, animation, and monsters than in the past. Witness the approach 50 years ago with Adam West's Batman vs. today's angsty study in psychological torment. The franchises of the past just didn't feel the need to take themselves as seriously.
 
Then again, Japanese giant-monster movies are arguably B-movie schlock.

Like I said, it depends on the movie. Many of them are low-budget schlock, others are really classy and well-made. The original Gojira was made by the same studio and many of the same filmmakers and actors who worked on Akira Kurosawa's classic films; the effects were crude because the Japanese had never done a special-effects film before, but the rest was done with every bit as much care and quality as The Seven Samurai in the same year (though with only half the budget, admittedly). Most of the later Godzilla films in the original run were cheaper, but a number of the more recent ones, including the upcoming Godzilla: Resurgence, have been made with much higher budgets by Japanese standards, and some have had pretty sophisticated storytelling.

Then there's the downright schizoid Gamera franchise, which I recently reviewed in full on my blog. The original films from 1965-71 (except for the halfway-decent second one) were extremely cheap, dumb, juvenile, and schlocky, consistently lamer than even the lamest Godzilla films, and the 1980 revival was so cheap that it was actually a clip show where virtually all the monster footage was recycled from the previous movies (and the opening space battle scene was literally just the camera panning over paintings of a space battle). But the Gamera trilogy from the '90s, albeit made on a much lower budget than contemporary Godzilla films, was incredibly sophisticated, smart, and technically superb, collectively among the best kaiju films in the entire genre, and some of the darkest and scariest as well. And the 2006 reboot, while going back to being more of a children's film, was a beautiful, introspective, and poignant children's film, like a live-action Miyazaki movie.
 
I like the idea of this but the failure of Van Helsing, which was also supposed to do something similar in terms of setting up a shared monster universe (remember the planned TV series Transylvania?) and the underwhelming response to Dracula Untold makes me lower my expectations. Admittedly I haven't seen either film, the reviews and word-of-mouth put me off.

I'm in a minority here in that the involvement of Cruise and Crowe actually increases my interest. I like Johnson but I agree that the actor as Talbot should be more of an Everyman and less of a superman.

Still, at least if this flops, I still have Penny Dreadful.

Ah, it's been cancelled too. Crap!!!
 
I like the idea of this but the failure of Van Helsing, which was also supposed to do something similar in terms of setting up a shared monster universe (remember the planned TV series Transylvania?) and the underwhelming response to Dracula Untold makes me lower my expectations.!

VAN HELSING was a huge disappointment, but that was at least twelve years ago. I can't imagine any of the same people will be involved.
 
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