Uniform Confirmation from Trekmovie.com
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And those true colors were supposed to be green!!!!!!111one
GOOD NEWS EVERYONE! A zoom in reveals a very thin green fringe not visible to me before. (This is from the OTHER image Dennis posted.)
While the uniform itself is almost entirely Yellow or Yellow-Orange according to the computer, as you can see below there is a very thin fringe that runs along the edges of the light glare in this shot.
I took several samples from this green fringe, and much to my annoyance/amusement most of the greenest looking pixels had no green in them.
Behold:
Yes, true believers, Mr. Green pixel #1 is actually orange tinged. Can anyone back me up and say that that looks green to you, or am I making an idiot of myself here? Anyway, it's not green.
Moving on, I took a washed out pixel from the edge of the "green" pixels and It actually had a tiny amount of green in it!
MISSION FUCKING ACCOMPLISHED!
While the uniform itself is almost entirely Yellow or Yellow-Orange according to the computer, as you can see below there is a very thin fringe that runs along the edges of the light glare in this shot.
I took several samples from this green fringe, and much to my annoyance/amusement most of the greenest looking pixels had no green in them.
Behold:
Yes, true believers, Mr. Green pixel #1 is actually orange tinged. Can anyone back me up and say that that looks green to you, or am I making an idiot of myself here? Anyway, it's not green.
Moving on, I took a washed out pixel from the edge of the "green" pixels and It actually had a tiny amount of green in it!
MISSION FUCKING ACCOMPLISHED!
This thread is hilarious! 
They're not coming up "green."
The problem here is that people are misconstruing "Gold" to mean the same as "yellow." Of course, it doesn't. Anymore than it means "green."
Nobody is claiming that the uniform tops for the command branch were ever yellow, are they?
I keep hearing all sorts of indignant arguments about "Green, not yellow!" But nobody is claiming that they're yellow... they're more of a brownish/orangish/yellow, with the "brownish" portion containing a hint of green.
We're not talking about PRIMARY COLORS here, boys and girls! SHEESH!
Every image I've ever seen of the TOS command-branch duty uniforms was gold. NOT YELLOW... GOLD. On the other hand, the wrap-around and the dress tunic were undeniably green.
What was Bill Theis's intent? Hard to say, we can't really ask him anymore, can we?
Did he originally pick green? Well, no... he didn't pick any primary color. Did the uniform color have a bit of green in it? I'm sure. But that doesn't mean that it was green. "Gold" as a tone for fabric either means "metallic threads" or it means a browish/orangish/yellowish tone which is almost more of an earth tone than a bright primary color. The fabric he chose, and which was seen on-screen, was just such a tone. Yes, it has a HINT of green in it... but it also has a hint of blue, and a hint or red, and so on... that's how colors WORK, after all!
That said... I'm getting the impression that this is going to be a fun thread to read the rest of the way through... I imagine either a flamewar or someone coming along and using (gasp!) LOGIC and actual analysis to make their point. I'm hoping for the latter rather than the former... but I haven't seen that far ahead yet. I'm just getting a kick out of things so far!
EDIT: And now that I've finished reading the entire thread (to date) I find that it WAS the latter... and that it was Ancient who did it (GOOD JOB!).
"Avacado flesh" is an interesting term to use to describe the color... I actually have a couple of avacados in my fridge, and I took advantage of this to go ahead and turn 'em into guacamole... mmmmm.... for a party tuesday (hey, fresh is a little better but a couple of days in the 'fridge won't hurt anything!)
One was almost purely golden inside... the other was a little less ripe and had a bit more of a green tint to it.
The riper one looked very much like this (but not quite as vividly yellowish):
http://www.wikihow.com/Cut-an-Avocado-Without-Touching-the-Flesh
while the less ripe one looked much more like this (but not quite as greenish):
http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/001737how_to_cut_and_peel_an_avocado.php
So, I can buy "avacado flesh" as being a general target. But not "avacado green" which looks like this:
http://www.pbase.com/house_vixen/image/20891617
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Spock's makeup did have a green tinge to it, and this was toned down as they refined his makeup.
Kind of reflected by the fact that he had green blood.
Ok, this picture was presented as evidence of the green yeti.
I admit, it does look kinda green to the naked eye.
HOWEVER, Mr. Computer says "Not green". I ran my little color-picker over every inch of that $%^& shirt and it stayed in orange-yellow territory the entire time. It veered almost into pure yellow territory a few times but never fell over into the green shades.
Below I take two of the three 'greenest shades' and show you the computer's findings.
SONOFABITCHWHEREISTHEGREEN??!!
I think dark yellowish orange (otherwise known as "gold") just looks greenish for some reason if you stare at it long enough.
If anyone cares to join me on the hunt for the elusive green pixel, please go ahead. It's gettin pretty lonely here in dweebsville.
I admit, it does look kinda green to the naked eye.
HOWEVER, Mr. Computer says "Not green". I ran my little color-picker over every inch of that $%^& shirt and it stayed in orange-yellow territory the entire time. It veered almost into pure yellow territory a few times but never fell over into the green shades.
Below I take two of the three 'greenest shades' and show you the computer's findings.
SONOFABITCHWHEREISTHEGREEN??!!
I think dark yellowish orange (otherwise known as "gold") just looks greenish for some reason if you stare at it long enough.
If anyone cares to join me on the hunt for the elusive green pixel, please go ahead. It's gettin pretty lonely here in dweebsville.
Let me know the colour ancient. Looks gold to me, but I can't be sure.
SPOCK SMASH!!!
McCoy: "You green-blooded, inhuman..."
To add more fuel to the green/gold debate, I remember reading in the Star Trek Compendium that in the second pilot, Where No Man Has Gone Before, makeup artist Robert Dawn gave Spock's makeup a golden tinge to it, along with more severe bangs and highly upswept eyebrows. Fascinating! -- RR
Every image I've ever seen of the TOS command-branch duty uniforms was gold. NOT YELLOW... GOLD. On the other hand, the wrap-around and the dress tunic were undeniably green.
What was Bill Theis's intent? Hard to say, we can't really ask him anymore, can we?
Well, we can't now but it had been asked of him before.
The interview, iirc, was posted on another site that's long since vanished. Where the interview originally came from I don't know, so I leave it to you all to decide the accuracy of the source.
James Cawley, who worked with Theiss on TNG and owns many of his original notes, patterns and guides, has stated on the various costume sites that the first season velor was a gold tint while the later nylon, third season uniforms had a greenish-gold coloring. So, who knows? Having seen the one on tour with the Trek exhibition, I have to say that it does have a slight green tint to it but it's not a straight one way or the other.
In any case, if the new movie has it gold then that's fine with me as that's the color I remember from my childhood and my Mego action figure.
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My bet is a cadet uniform. Gray instead of glittery gray, and no division insignia, allowing cadets to choose their discipline or track. That being said, somehow, I think those little gold pins will resemble what we see on the Enterprise crew, and I doubt that any of them will have a divisional logo (which always struck me as a bit redundant).
Rob+
Blue jeans are indigo, which on the ROY G. BIV scale is the transition between blue and violet.
Despite all the talk I've heard of the first season uniforms being "green" I've never seen a picture of them looking green. It's just something I heard about and accepted as probably being true, but I've never seen any really solid evidence of it.
Even if someone has one of the original uniforms, the colors will have faded and changed. I don't recall it being mentioned in any of the old Trek books I have either. If someone knows of a reliable source for this green shirt theory, please speak up!
That makes sense too. I didn't mention that, because I was thinking delta=Enterprise at the time. But they are using the delta for everything, I guess.
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ALSO, a quick correction to my little color analysis: I identified a few of the colors as Yellow-Orange, but any that have a hue value of 60 is actually a perfect yellow. Not a big deal, but I realized that last night and want to set that straight.
Most of the colors were yellow-orange, but the ones that were yellow or near-yellow were the ones that appeared greenish, probably by comparison.
But don't forget... this movie is not just set in the TOS timeframe. That could be a 24th/25th-century "combadge" or it could be a post-ENT/Pre-TOS insignia. Fact is, we really don't know.
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...ummm.... ummmm... got so caught up in the gay bit I totally forgot where I was going with this... soooo
Yeah, whatever he said...
I'm gay... and my gay half-brother is a successful interior designer...
therefore I am right... and no one else izzzz!
...ummm.... ummmm... got so caught up in the gay bit I totally forgot where I was going with this... soooo
Yeah, whatever he said...
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