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Uniform Confirmation from Trekmovie.com

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Now wait just a damned minute.

The uniforms should be those ugly taupe and blue deals from "The Cage"/"WNMHGB"! Teh continuity is voilated!!! Abrams...raping...childhood!!!11!!!111!1!!!
 
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I quit caring about how this thing is going to look a while ago. Now I just care about it not sucking or trying to imitate everything else in the last five years.
 
Post your encouraging noises/incoherent rants about how abrams hates trek* here.
I'm excited to hear about the uniforms, but a little disturbed by the following comment from the article:

According to TrekMovie sources, the Starfleet uniforms on the Enterprise are the element of this film closest to The Original Series in design.
This is a bad (but not unexpected) omen for the Enterprise design. :(

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Not really...it's saying that everything else besides the uniforms is farther away from TOS designs.
 
People:

Sounds good to me. As for the whole two-piece vs. one-piece discussion, it's true that the uniform tops had the black collar integrated in TOS. However, there is some precedent for a top shirt/jacket and one underneath. As we saw in The Cage, the landing party had excursion jackets, so this division isn't a big stretch from that era.

Also, let's not forget that in most of the other ST movies, as well as some of the series, the two-piece look is quite prevalent. The more I hear, the more I'm encouraged that we're getting respectful nods to TOS's past from Abrams and company. I mean, c'mon, you didn't think a movie made in 2008 would feature uniform tops that look exactly like TOS tops from 1966?

Red Ranger
 
Well, I remember just a few short years ago people were saying, "You don't actually believe that they would do another series or movie in the TOS era, do you?" So, frankly, I don't put much of anything outside the realm of possibility at this point, and I don't make too many assumptions about what will and will not work.
 
According to TrekMovie sources, the Starfleet uniforms on the Enterprise are the element of this film closest to The Original Series in design.
This is a bad (but not unexpected) omen for the Enterprise design. :(

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I think it's pretty encouraging.

From what I understand, the design work on the main Enterprise interiors is remarkable.
 
I find myself wishing they'd stick to the command color as it was *supposed* to be - GREEN.

(the command uniform color in TOS was always green; it just looked goldish because of the studio lighting and the material of which the uniforms were made. It was only the dress uniform that actually *looked* as green as it was.)
There are all sorts of reasons things looked a different color on screen than what they actually were. In fact, many allowances were made for this, so that what appeared on-screen was the desired color; I remember that the Fender Guitar Company made instruments in what they called "television white" (actually a sort of dull yellow-cream color which looked white on camera) because real white fucked up the TV cameras of that era and created a "glare" effect which washed out the rest of the picture. There are many other examples of such allowances and adjustments in color in television and movies (even in Black & White.)

Hence, what we saw on screen is what color something "really" was, not how it appeared before having been put through the video process. The end result is what counted. Wishing otherwise is a somewhat futile exercise.

Gee, if they wanted the color to be piss yellow then they screwed up with the green wraparounds and dress tunics. :confused:

Who says the wraparound and dress tunic were supposed to be the same color as the standard duty shirt?
 
In fact, in the remastered versions of the episodes the "gold" tunics are identifiably avocado green.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x14/balanceofterror070.jpg

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x14hd/balanceofterrorhd033.jpg

:vulcan:
Was that sarcasm?

No, he's right. The second picture is the remastered print, while the first is the DVD caps.

Although the lights are casting a yellow tint to the shirts, the restoration of the print shows us what they looked like as filmed in '66, prior to 40 years of wear and aging.

After all, why are many fan films (including Exeter and New Voyages/Phase II) now using green costumes? Because that's what Theiss used. If you dig through the set photos on NV's site, you can see the command shirts change color in different lighting, from a mustard gold to a very distinct green.

Using gold may have been a creative choice, or perhaps JJ didn't know. In any case, the originals are green.
 
There are all sorts of reasons things looked a different color on screen than what they actually were. In fact, many allowances were made for this, so that what appeared on-screen was the desired color; I remember that the Fender Guitar Company made instruments in what they called "television white" (actually a sort of dull yellow-cream color which looked white on camera) because real white fucked up the TV cameras of that era and created a "glare" effect which washed out the rest of the picture. There are many other examples of such allowances and adjustments in color in television and movies (even in Black & White.)

Hence, what we saw on screen is what color something "really" was, not how it appeared before having been put through the video process. The end result is what counted. Wishing otherwise is a somewhat futile exercise.

Gee, if they wanted the color to be piss yellow then they screwed up with the green wraparounds and dress tunics. :confused:

Who says the wraparound and dress tunic were supposed to be the same color as the standard duty shirt?

Why would they be intentionally different? The others weren't.
 
There are all sorts of reasons things looked a different color on screen than what they actually were. In fact, many allowances were made for this, so that what appeared on-screen was the desired color; I remember that the Fender Guitar Company made instruments in what they called "television white" (actually a sort of dull yellow-cream color which looked white on camera) because real white fucked up the TV cameras of that era and created a "glare" effect which washed out the rest of the picture. There are many other examples of such allowances and adjustments in color in television and movies (even in Black & White.)

Hence, what we saw on screen is what color something "really" was, not how it appeared before having been put through the video process. The end result is what counted. Wishing otherwise is a somewhat futile exercise.

Gee, if they wanted the color to be piss yellow then they screwed up with the green wraparounds and dress tunics. :confused:

Who says the wraparound and dress tunic were supposed to be the same color as the standard duty shirt?

Uh, probably Bill Thiess since he went on record stating the color selected was green. If one wanted the shirts to appear yellow on screen, one could just pick that color, instead of going through the convoluted process of trying different colors that would "appear" to be the color one wanted in the first place.

I don't suppose they had the time or money to go through such a process.

Oh well, since I wasn't there (as opposed to EXPERTS) I guess the matter isn't settled. Like guitars have anything to do with shirts. :confused:
 
Like I said, aged or bad prints of the film may have lead to the "gold" shirts rather than what was captured in the cameras.
 
They've always been gold. It's not like on some day in the 70s when the films aged to a finite point those green tunics everyone was wearing turned gold.
 
Then explain all of the set and cast photos from the original series that show Shatner wearing green tunics?

Besides, what are you even talking about? Even if the network copies of the prints were correct, do you really think the TV's were set right half of the time?

Andrew Fucking Probert though the 1701 was blue-green. Is it any coincidence that most everyone else thought the shirts were gold?
 
Then explain all of the set and cast photos from the original series that show Shatner wearing green tunics?

Besides, what are you even talking about? Even if the prints were correct, do you really think the TV's were set right half of the time?

Andrew Fucking Probert though the 1701 was blue-green. Is it any coincidence that most everyone else thought the shirts were gold?

Calm down there Sally...what I meant was that the tunics on film have always been gold. They never aired as green and if they were meant to have aired as such, they would have been.
 
If they were always gold on film, then why are the remastered prints coming up green, and matching restored film clips and cast photos from the series?

Check out startrekhistory.com for restored film clips.
 
People:

Sounds good to me. As for the whole two-piece vs. one-piece discussion, it's true that the uniform tops had the black collar integrated in TOS. However, there is some precedent for a top shirt/jacket and one underneath. As we saw in The Cage, the landing party had excursion jackets, so this division isn't a big stretch from that era.

Also, let's not forget that in most of the other ST movies, as well as some of the series, the two-piece look is quite prevalent. The more I hear, the more I'm encouraged that we're getting respectful nods to TOS's past from Abrams and company. I mean, c'mon, you didn't think a movie made in 2008 would feature uniform tops that look exactly like TOS tops from 1966?

Red Ranger
Some people prefer to live in the past. It's known as the Star Trek Paradox... they love a show about the future, but it must be exactly like the past. This thinking would shut down Norman, but somehow it keeps this type of fan going.
GO, JJ, GO! :vulcan:
 
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