Ungrateful Actors

[Angel4576]

Considering they prepared ransom to take over her spot if negations failed... Her salary might have gone down?

I think they were probably using that as insurance against her demands getting out of control. Looks like they reached an agreeable figure for all parties.

You'd also have to figure that they wouldn't have wanted to replace Mulgrew unless they really, really had to. To many she was one of the most watchable things about the show. Given its ratings woes, I doubt they'd have risked losing her to be honest.

Back on topic: every problem with Voyager can basically be traced right back to Berman and Braga.

Don't know about every problem. Didn't they both want the season-long 'Year of Hell'? Thought it was Jeri Taylor who shouted that one down.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, someone got there end away with the Xindi Arc after Jeri was put out to pasture.

 

[Sindatur]

Was Ron/Hermione in Harry Potter a middle finger to Harry/Hermione 'shippers

Yes.

(Even though it was very obvious by Book 4, and surprising there was even still a question about it after Book 4)?

Yes, because it's SO obvious two people simply love each other when they argue and fight all the time, have completely different backgrounds and life expectations, and when one if a faithless prat with the emotional range of a teaspoon who gets shirty with people who are supposed to be friends when he gets his little freckled nose out of joint...

Back on topic: every problem with Voyager can basically be traced right back to Berman and Braga.

You're wrong, it was not a middle finger, it was planned from the very beginning. If you're a Movie only watcher, I can understand the chemistry between Radcliffe and Watson could give the wrong impression of the characters. If you read the books, though, Harry and Hermione were too much brother and sister, pairing them up would've just been wrong. Besides, Ginny was practically a clone of Harry's mother Lily, how could anyone not see that coming from her first hello to Harry and Ron and Hermione are very similar to Molly and Arthur?

About Fury, I really enjoyed the Kes Character, and I was sad when she left the show and I believe she got a raw deal in her final season, but, I enjoyed seeing her again in Fury and enjoyed the episode, so your theory is wrong that only "Kes Haters" liked the episode because it destroyed Kes. As to her aging, I look at that she got control over her Energy Being mode and her Humanoid mode aged, and she would return to her Energy Being mode full time when she passed away in her Humanoid form. I can definitely see show runners killing someone off, in order to pull at the audience's heart strings, but, it's madness, IMHO, to believe that they would actually go out of their way to piss off their audience, especially considering the ratings, they needed every pair of eyes watching they could get, why would they deliberately infuriate even a single person

 

[Guy Gardener]

They need a provocative sound bite for the advertising to get bums on seats to create immediate first run ratings...

kes: "I've come back in time to rock that hedgehohgs world. I'm 9 years old and the only thing I've really regretted is not tapping that sexy beast. Hey! Younger me, want to join in?"

Anya said something similar to that when she had two Xanders and I still walk funny thinking about her making such sweaty plans.

 

[teya]

Back on topic: every problem with Voyager can basically be traced right back to Berman and Braga.

Um, no. Akoochimoya & Indians with forehead cartilage in the Central American rainforest was entirely Jeri Taylor's mess.

*cue crappy flute music*

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Joe Menosky has had at least one rather cast-antagonizing comment in the show's production history, too.

It really wasn't entirely Berman's and Braga's fault.

 

[Angel4576]

Berman, Braga, Taylor, Menosky - no wonder RDM didn't hang around! Probably didn't want tainting with the twat-stick!

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

It is possible...

 

[Lynx]

Berman, Braga, Taylor, Menosky - no wonder RDM didn't hang around! Probably didn't want tainting with the twat-stick!

Add Bryan Fuller and the twat-stick is complete.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You know that twat means vagina as well as fool right?

 

[Angel4576]

You know that twat means vagina as well as fool right?

What are the chances of a Brit not knowing what 'twat' means......?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Our minds fart all the time.

When I say you've been hit by the pussy stick...

Do you think: Cowardice, sexual potency, or chicks with dicks?

 

[Angel4576]

Our minds fart all the time.

When I say you've been hit by the pussy stick...

Do you think: Cowardice, sexual potency, or chicks with dicks?

T'would depend on the context.

 

[The Trekster]

^^You've gotta keep the events in context.
Everyone on Voyager originally signed a 3 year contract.
During the first 3 years, Beltran & Wang were getting a fair share of scripts equal to their peers. So when they re-signed for 5 more years, they weren't disgruntled about anything. It wasn't until after the resigning that their roles got drastically cut back.

They couldn't quit. In order to quit and be let out of a contract all parties involved have to agree. So while Beltran & his agent might have wanted out, Paramount said "no". Therefore, he's locked into doing the show. This is why he became disgruntled. You're not using him, yet they won't let him go to persue another acting job. Resentment is understandable at that point.

So if Garrett Wang was offered a continued role on a show like "Law & Order: SVU" and picked "Voyager" to do instead, is he still lucky? I would say picking Voyager instead ended his career. What impressive resumes did Lucy Lawless or Tom Welling have before they were cast in leading roles of Smallville or Xena? The resume means nothing, Wang tried out for the part and beat out thousands of others competing for the same job.

Then they should have done a better job when they re-negotiated for the final 5 years. You go in there and say, I want x number of featured episodes or x amount of screen time. If they don't want to give it to you, run for the hills.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Dollars equal maximum the screen time. if they chose not to use him to the maximum amount of service they can squeese out of him... In theory if they let him atrophy beltran is living the American Dream.

"Money for nothing and your Chicks for free."

That's not the American dream?

Is Mark Knoffler even a yank?

**Nope.**

Oh.

Exodus, you must remember the bitching when we found out that only two blokes were auditioned for the role of Harry Kim?

Not a lot of twenty year old Asian's wanted to be actors in 1993.

 

[Takeru]

Exodus, you must remember the bitching when we found out that only two blokes were auditioned for the role of Harry Kim?

Not a lot of twenty year old Asian's wanted to be actors in 1993.

Seriously? In that case they should have let non-asian actor's audition.

 

[MacLeod]

^Now doing that, would mean applying some common sense.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They wanted an Asian on the bridge, we know this.

But?

Did other ethnicities other than black audition for Tuvok?

Did they want a black Vulcan, or were they surprised midproccess that they had decided upon a black Vulcan?

Too much Super-friends as a kid I think.

Wouldn't it have been anthropologically confusing if they had cast an obviously Native American actor as a "red" Skinned Vulcan?

 

[Takeru]

They wanted an Asian on the bridge, we know this.

Then they could have made Harry older or female or audition asian actor's for other parts, wanting an asian actor doesn't mean you're stuck with the young male ensign fresh out of the academy.

Not changing plans when basically no one shows up to audition for Harry is madness.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They wanted a kid fresh out of the academy who would be naive and make Tom look like a hard ass who was Asian.

They wrote a bible for the show and then told the casting department to give them what they wanted or they would be fired.

Even if Wang had to compete against another 3, possibly even 4 more 20 year old male Asian actors, have would have won out the competition victorious surely?

The first novels were probably written from the bible before the series was completely cast, wich explains how that Nicole Janeway book slipped through.