Ungrateful Actors

[exodus]

If you hate your job so much and you have the option to leave, it's probably best to leave (that's what I did). If you hate your job but you're contractually obligated to stay, you're not going to be a happy camper and you're going to try to do many things, short of getting blacklisted, to get out of that contract. It's that tricky balance of getting out of a high-profile gig while trying to stay on good terms with the acting community in general.

People act like Beltran and Wang were mislead, that they somehow thought that if renewed their contracts, their roles would be expanded. Give me a break. If these guys really thought their roles would improve, they're morons who deserve what they got. They had to know the ratings were bad and that if any changes were going to be made to the show, it wouldn't favor them. So all this talk about how they were stuck because of their contracts means little. Yes, they may have been stuck. But they need to take responsibility for their actions. If I accept a job knowing the company has a bad reputation and then it turns out the job is awful, then who's at fault? These guys weren't duped. They just don't want to admit that they signed up for the paycheck. And they soon realized that by badmouthing the series, they'd win over the fans who agreed with them. Sorry, but no matter how much Beltran says stuff I agree with, it still won't cause me to respect him.

There is no logic behind any of this.
It's just a rambling rant with no facts behind it.
Paramount nor Trek have EVER been a company or show(s) with a bad reputation. Even Beltran who is only bad mouthing Berman & Braga isn't bad mouthing Paramount or Trek as a whole, only the show he worked on. Same with Garrett Wang.

If Garrett's sole reason for staying on Trek was a popularity vote in PEOPLE, why wouldn't he expect his part to increase? They put a woman with a hot body in a catsuit to increase the shows popularity, didn't they? Put her on every mens magazine cover, just like Garrett in PEOPLE for popularity.
Are you even aware the producers would take the cast out to dinner and ask them what stories or direction they wanted to see their characters go in? Even Ethan Philips says that they would ignore what the actors had to say, unless you were Mulgrew, Ryan or Picardo. Is that Beltran not taking responsability then too?

Plus, I really don't think any actor really cares if a few fans of one job they had out of many respects them or not. Fans and our critiques & opinions are a dime a dozen.

 

[dannyboylee]

Does anyone have links to these Beltran and Wang interviews?

 

[dannyboylee]

Nevermind. I found them.

 

[Navaros]

I acknowledge that actors telling the truth is unprofessional and bad for their careers, but I respect actors who tell the truth anyway.

Actors who tell the truth, like Wang and Beltran, add interesting material for thought and discussion.

Actors who are "professional" and say nothing, or only make fluffy positive statements, add nothing worth thinking about or discussing.

So kudos to Wang, Beltran, and others like them for putting telling the truth ahead of their careers.

 

[froot]

I acknowledge that actors telling the truth is unprofessional and bad for their careers, but I respect actors who tell the truth anyway.

Actors who tell the truth, like Wang and Beltran, add interesting material for thought and discussion.

Actors who are "professional" and say nothing, or only make fluffy positive statements, add nothing worth thinking about or discussing.

So kudos to Wang, Beltran, and others like them for putting telling the truth ahead of their careers.

But, again, this ignores the whole "they weren't doing their jobs" thing, which is the entire problem.

 

[Navaros]

But, again, this ignores the whole "they weren't doing their jobs" thing, which is the entire problem.

Did they really not do their jobs? I'm not saying that they did do their jobs; I'm just not informed enough on these matters to know that they didn't. If they didn't, feel free to point out how they didn't.

I know that Beltran said he didn't read the scripts, but did he have to?

His lines all got delivered, right? Would reading the script have made any difference to his character?

I agree with what you said in a previous post, that Beltran's delivery was poor right off the bat. IMO even in Caretaker when he starts smiling and saying "Because she's the Captain!" that was some really corny & bad acting by Beltran, and presumably he was reading the script at that point. That's why I question whether him not reading future scripts has any relevance to the quality of his acting/character.

Or perhaps there are other ways that he didn't do his job which you are referring to. In that case, what else didn't he and/or Wang do?

 

[froot]

But, again, this ignores the whole "they weren't doing their jobs" thing, which is the entire problem.

Did they really not do their jobs? I'm not saying that they did do their jobs; I'm just not informed enough on these matters to know that they didn't. If they didn't, feel free to point out how they didn't.

I know that Beltran said he didn't read the scripts, but did he have to?

His lines all got delivered, right? Would reading the script have made any difference to his character?

I agree with what you said in a previous post, that Beltran's delivery was poor right off the bat. IMO even in Caretaker when he starts smiling and saying "Because she's the Captain!" that was some really corny & bad acting by Beltran, and presumably he was reading the script at that point. That's why I question whether him not reading future scripts has any relevance to the quality of his acting/character.

Or perhaps there are other ways that he didn't do his job which you are referring to. In that case, what else didn't he and/or Wang do?

I guess the following really needs a big ol' [citation needed] tag on it, but, anyways, these are the facts as my addled little mind remembers 'em: Wang had a huge problem with being late (although, apparently, he got better about it), and Beltran wasn't remembering his lines. RB had problems with the technobabble from the very beginning, but he eventually took that a few steps further and just didn't memorize anything. Other VOY actors mentioned that he'd squirrel his lines away inside the stainless steel coffee cups. I mean, I'm sure everyone had their tricks, but he was just dropping the ball. Not to mention his delivery was often pretty sedate, save for a few episodes/moments here and there that were pretty good.

And not reading the scripts removes the entire context of what the character's supposed to be doing. He got paid to do this, and he admittedly half-assed it and expected fans to pat him on the back for it, which they do for some odd reason.

Yeah, they got the job done eventually, but there were a lot of people on that set counting on the actors to be relatively efficient. A lazy or chronically late actor in a setting like that makes already-long work days even longer. It's just not classy to do that to your co-workers. It's especially not classy to do that to your co-workers AND THEN run off to cons and air out everyone's dirty laundry. "He without sin cast the first stone" and all that...

 

[Mareika]

IMO even in Caretaker when he starts smiling and saying "Because she's the Captain!" that was some really corny & bad acting by Beltran, and presumably he was reading the script at that point.

I think he was great in that scene. When I watched Voyager the first time (5.5 years ago) I was very impressed by his acting and it`s one of that scenes which hooked me up. So I became a Voyager and RB fan.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Early Beltran has so much potential.. when I see that scene I think, "wow, Chakotay is quite the pragmatist, he's sized up this situation and he's making peace and good decisions for the sake of his crew.. " it comes through that he's essentially a man of peace.. would have been nice to see how/why he was okay about being a Maquis. I'm quite Maquis sympathetic btw.. but the life of a Maquis seems in contrast to the nature of Chakotay as presented in early VOY. (There wasn't any nature of Chakotay in later VOY.)

 

[exodus]

And not reading the scripts removes the entire context of what the character's supposed to be doing. He got paid to do this, and he admittedly half-assed it and expected fans to pat him on the back for it, which they do for some odd reason.

Have you ever meet Beltran in person?
If you haven't, you should try.
When you do, you might have a better understanding of why some of us do sympathize with him.

When you hear what he has to say from his own mouth and how the says it, it makes a very different impression than reading it second hand here. You'll understand the rumors about him bad mouthing the fans & his co-workers is un-true. Part of Beltrans humor is sarcasm, if you here how he says it you'd know he's joking. Remember how fans flipped over William Shatner's "get a life!"? Another example of folks not understanding the joke. We also know it's not true due to the fact that Beltran still meets up with his cast mates for dinner. They're all still friends.

When you here Beltran's gripe about his role & the show, you'll come to understand his complaints are exactly the same ones many have here in regards to the shows direction. He's not saying anything really different than Ron Moore did. Think Beltran was sold on Moore's ideas of Voyager and got screwed when he left. Beltran is actually arguing the show needed more character development. What he wanted would have benefitted his fellow cast members as well. Unfortunately some of them were too short sighted to see it because they were causing their own issues on the set. Pot/Kettle/Black anyone?

Berman & Braga had the ability to sit down with Beltran & his agent to disolve his contract.
So it comes down to one question:
If he was such a problem on the set, why not just let him go and cut cost?

If his bad mouthing fans is an exaggeration of the truth, what else might be?

 

[ShatnersToupee]

Paramount nor Trek have EVER been a company or show(s) with a bad reputation. Even Beltran who is only bad mouthing Berman & Braga isn't bad mouthing Paramount or Trek as a whole, only the show he worked on. Same with Garrett Wang.

You misunderstood. The issue here is not the reputation of Star Trek or Paramount. The issue is the actors' expectations. When you first apply for a job, your expectations will be based, in part, on the company's reputation. If you've been at that job for several years, your expectations of the future will be based on the past. In the case of Beltran and Wang, they had been on the show for 3 years. By that point, they should've known what to expect and what not to expect. So if they thought things were going to improve, then they're just idiots.

If Garrett's sole reason for staying on Trek was a popularity vote in PEOPLE, why wouldn't he expect his part to increase?

Put yourself in Wang's position. You're not a good actor, you don't have a strong resume, and you're Asian. Three things that put you at a considerable disadvantage in the job market for actors. You're on a show whose ratings have declined, you're playing a character who isn't very important to the show, and your bosses are already unhappy with you because of your unprofessional conduct. If I had been Wang, I would've just been grateful that they chose to renew my contract. What I wouldn't be complaining about is not getting a chance to direct or not getting promoted past Ensign. Given that I'd already established myself as someone who was unreliable, why would they let me direct an episode?

Are you even aware the producers would take the cast out to dinner and ask them what stories or direction they wanted to see their characters go in? Even Ethan Philips says that they would ignore what the actors had to say, unless you were Mulgrew, Ryan or Picardo. Is that Beltran not taking responsability then too?

This goes back to expectations. If my manager invites me into his office every year to let me air my views, ask for more responsibilities and/or a raise, and I'm turned down every time, then eventually I'm going to lower my expectations. The next time he calls me into his office, I'll know that there's little point in my asking for a raise or promotion. The same is true of Beltran and Wang. I'm sure during those first 3 seasons, they offered the producers ideas only to have them ignored. So even if, 3 years into the show, the producers took them out to dinner to hear their ideas, they had to know it was a waste of time. And yes, Beltran does need to take some responsibility for that. If you're a writer and you know the actor you're writing for isn't going to give his best performance, if you know that he isn't even going to read the entire script, how inclined will you be to write for him? At my job, I see coworkers who just go through the motions. It's obvious they're there just for the paycheck. So their managers don't give them the fun projects. Instead they just give them the scuttle work.

Plus, I really don't think any actor really cares if a few fans of one job they had out of many respects them or not. Fans and our critiques & opinions are a dime a dozen.

They do if they're struggling to find work and pay the bills. Why do you think actors go to conventions? Do you think they have nothing better to do with their time? No. It's because they get paid. But notice how some actors appear more frequently than others. The ones who seldom appear are the ones who don't need the money and/or don't have the time. Take Jeri Ryan. She hardly ever does conventions. Part of that might have to do with having bad memories of the show, but it's also because she's had no trouble finding work. Got hired on Boston Public, then Shark, and now has some new show coming out. Compare that to Beltran and Wang who have hardly done anything. But they've learned the secret to getting invited to conventions, which is give the fans what they want. In this case, the fans want to hear the inside dirt and hear the actors validate everything the fans have been complaining about for years.

Actors who are "professional" and say nothing, or only make fluffy positive statements, add nothing worth thinking about or discussing.

I don't like actors who repeat the company line or pretend to like a job when they really didn't. So while I enjoy hearing Beltran and Wang tell the real story, I question their motives. Are they doing it to be honest with the fans or is it more about having a personal ax to grind and/or wanting to kiss up to the fans so that you'll be welcome at future conventions?

Did they really not do their jobs? I'm not saying that they did do their jobs; I'm just not informed enough on these matters to know that they didn't. If they didn't, feel free to point out how they didn't.

I know that Beltran said he didn't read the scripts, but did he have to?

His lines all got delivered, right? Would reading the script have made any difference to his character?

There's more to being an actor than just delivering your lines. A good actor takes the time to learn how their role fits into the overall story. Even guest actors understand this. They don't just show up, say their lines, and move on to the next job. A good guest actor actually does their homework on a show to understand what their role is about.

Yeah, they got the job done eventually, but there were a lot of people on that set counting on the actors to be relatively efficient. A lazy or chronically late actor in a setting like that makes already-long work days even longer. It's just not classy to do that to your co-workers. It's especially not classy to do that to your co-workers AND THEN run off to cons and air out everyone's dirty laundry. "He without sin cast the first stone" and all that...

I agree. Actors are often given really bad material, but their job as actors is to do their best with it. Take an episode like Threshold which was, by far, the worst episode in all of Star Trek. I'm sure Mulgrew and McNeill looked at that script and just cringed. But they both went out of their way to give their best performances. That's the mark of a professional.

 

[exodus]

You misunderstood. The issue here is not the reputation of Star Trek or Paramount. The issue is the actors' expectations. When you first apply for a job, your expectations will be based, in part, on the company's reputation. If you've been at that job for several years, your expectations of the future will be based on the past. In the case of Beltran and Wang, they had been on the show for 3 years. By that point, they should've known what to expect and what not to expect. So if they thought things were going to improve, then they're just idiots.

Well, I guess if you choose to continue to ignore all facts I can't see how this would be your conclusion. Thank goodness this isn't a court of law, huh?

Put yourself in Wang's position. You're not a good actor, you don't have a strong resume, and you're Asian. Three things that put you at a considerable disadvantage in the job market for actors. You're on a show whose ratings have declined, you're playing a character who isn't very important to the show, and your bosses are already unhappy with you because of your unprofessional conduct. If I had been Wang, I would've just been grateful that they chose to renew my contract. What I wouldn't be complaining about is not getting a chance to direct or not getting promoted past Ensign. Given that I'd already established myself as someone who was unreliable, why would they let me direct an episode?

Only if you assume Garrett Wang sees himself this way, which he doesn't.

They do if they're struggling to find work and pay the bills. Why do you think actors go to conventions? Do you think they have nothing better to do with their time? No. It's because they get paid. But notice how some actors appear more frequently than others. The ones who seldom appear are the ones who don't need the money and/or don't have the time. Take Jeri Ryan. She hardly ever does conventions. Part of that might have to do with having bad memories of the show, but it's also because she's had no trouble finding work. Got hired on Boston Public, then Shark, and now has some new show coming out. Compare that to Beltran and Wang who have hardly done anything. But they've learned the secret to getting invited to conventions, which is give the fans what they want. In this case, the fans want to hear the inside dirt and hear the actors validate everything the fans have been complaining about for years.

Beltran has been working since Voyager.
Currently he's a reaccuring character on HBO's "Big Love".
Jeri Ryan doesn't do Cons because she's got a family & restaurant to run.
She actually works less as an actress due to this which is why many of her roles lately are temporary.
Where've you been, this info has been published in several different types of magazines from Trek to culinary.

Showing up to Cons. isn't an indication an actor cares about a fans individual opinions of them. Why should they, you're still willing ro pay to see them regardless. Half of an actors life is getting used to negitive reviews or press, even the good ones. Every celeb has a person or group that bad mouths them.
Brandon Braga is well aware of his reputation among some Trek fans. He doesn't care, he takes the time if he can to show up at Cons. Same with Will Weaton, same with Ethan Philips... The majority of actors ignore negitive comments. A few negitive opinions among a worldwide fan base means nothing, seriously.

 

[Mareika]

Have you ever meet Beltran in person?
If you haven't, you should try.
When you do, you might have a better understanding of why some of us do sympathize with him.

When you hear what he has to say from his own mouth and how the says it, it makes a very different impression than reading it second hand here. You'll understand the rumors about him bad mouthing the fans & his co-workers is un-true. Part of Beltrans humor is sarcasm, if you here how he says it you'd know he's joking. Remember how fans flipped over William Shatner's "get a life!"? Another example of folks not understanding the joke. We also know it's not true due to the fact that Beltran still meets up with his cast mates for dinner. They're all still friends.

When you here Beltran's gripe about his role & the show, you'll come to understand his complaints are exactly the same ones many have here in regards to the shows direction. He's not saying anything really different than Ron Moore did. Think Beltran was sold on Moore's ideas of Voyager and got screwed when he left. Beltran is actually arguing the show needed more character development. What he wanted would have benefitted his fellow cast members as well. Unfortunately some of them were too short sighted to see it because they were causing their own issues on the set. Pot/Kettle/Black anyone?

Berman & Braga had the ability to sit down with Beltran & his agent to disolve his contract.
So it comes down to one question:
If he was such a problem on the set, why not just let him go and cut cost?

If his bad mouthing fans is an exaggeration of the truth, what else might be?

Thank you so much for your post Exodus. I`m glad you have the same impression about Robert Beltran as I have after meeting him in person.
I agree in all of your points.

Compare that to Beltran and Wang who have hardly done anything. But they've learned the secret to getting invited to conventions, which is give the fans what they want.

@ ShatnersToupee I think you should inform yourself befor you are writing your posts.

1. Beltran`s one of the Voy-actors who attends conventions rarely. Most of the others are on conventions more often- Mulgrew, McNeill, Phillips, Picardo, Russ, Wang.
Since 2006, when I met Robert Beltran at Fedcon he has been only at 3 conventions.

2. Beltran hasn`t done many films, but he`s been at Big Love and he was on stage in LA and San Francisco in leading roles.
He also will be on stage at LA Theatre Center this month in the play "Devil’s Advocate" by Donald Freed.

Freed’s play stars Robert Beltran and centers on the CIA’s hunt for former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, who on the day he was being pursued, sought asylum in an archbishop’s home.

Quote from Los Angeles Downtown News.

 

[exodus]

Have you ever meet Beltran in person?
If you haven't, you should try.
When you do, you might have a better understanding of why some of us do sympathize with him.

When you hear what he has to say from his own mouth and how the says it, it makes a very different impression than reading it second hand here. You'll understand the rumors about him bad mouthing the fans & his co-workers is un-true. Part of Beltrans humor is sarcasm, if you here how he says it you'd know he's joking. Remember how fans flipped over William Shatner's "get a life!"? Another example of folks not understanding the joke. We also know it's not true due to the fact that Beltran still meets up with his cast mates for dinner. They're all still friends.

When you here Beltran's gripe about his role & the show, you'll come to understand his complaints are exactly the same ones many have here in regards to the shows direction. He's not saying anything really different than Ron Moore did. Think Beltran was sold on Moore's ideas of Voyager and got screwed when he left. Beltran is actually arguing the show needed more character development. What he wanted would have benefitted his fellow cast members as well. Unfortunately some of them were too short sighted to see it because they were causing their own issues on the set. Pot/Kettle/Black anyone?

Berman & Braga had the ability to sit down with Beltran & his agent to disolve his contract.
So it comes down to one question:
If he was such a problem on the set, why not just let him go and cut cost?

If his bad mouthing fans is an exaggeration of the truth, what else might be?

Thank you so much for your post Exodus. I`m glad you have the same impression about Robert Beltran as I have after meeting him in person.
I agree in all of your points.

Compare that to Beltran and Wang who have hardly done anything. But they've learned the secret to getting invited to conventions, which is give the fans what they want.

@ ShatnersToupee I think you should inform yourself befor you are writing your posts.

1. Beltran`s one of the Voy-actors who attends conventions rarely. Most of the others are on conventions more often- Mulgrew, McNeill, Phillips, Picardo, Russ, Wang.
Since 2006, when I met Robert Beltran at Fedcon he has been only at 3 conventions.

2. Beltran hasn`t done many films, but he`s been at Big Love and he was on stage in LA and San Francisco in leading roles.
He also will be on stage at LA Theatre Center this month in the play "Devil’s Advocate" by Donald Freed.

Freed’s play stars Robert Beltran and centers on the CIA’s hunt for former Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega, who on the day he was being pursued, sought asylum in an archbishop’s home.

Quote from Los Angeles Downtown News.

I thank you too for continuing to set the record straight.

 

[ShatnersToupee]

When you here Beltran's gripe about his role & the show, you'll come to understand his complaints are exactly the same ones many have here in regards to the shows direction.

So what? The issue here isn't whether we agree with his statements. The issue is whether he was appreciative enough of what he had and why, if he was so unhappy, he didn't just quit? The fact that I agree with a lot of what he's said doesn't change the fact that I think he's an ingrate.

Berman & Braga had the ability to sit down with Beltran & his agent to disolve his contract.
So it comes down to one question:
If he was such a problem on the set, why not just let him go and cut cost?

Wrong. It comes down to two questions. Question 1: If he was so unhappy, why did he choose not to renew his contract or ask to be let out of his existing contract? Two, why didn't the producers just let him out of his contract if he was such a problem? My guess as to Question 1 is that the money was too good to walk away from. 3 years of steady income is a luxury for most actors. As for question 2, put yourself in the producers' shoes. He's the first officer. If you let him go, then Tuvok moves up the ranks, but now you need a new security chief. You can promote another character or create a new one, which means going through the audition process. Maybe the producers just decided it would be easier to put up with Beltran's attitude than have to go through the headache of replacing him.

Well, I guess if you choose to continue to ignore all facts I can't see how this would be your conclusion. Thank goodness this isn't a court of law, huh?

No, you're just ignoring common sense, that's all. Most people who work for a living have enough sense to know that if a job hasn't been very good the first 3 years, it probably won't get any better, unless there's a change in management.

Only if you assume Garrett Wang sees himself this way, which he doesn't.

And that's the problem. If you listen to the radio interview Wang did, it's clear he has a pretty inflated opinion of himself. But if he can't see himself the way his bosses do, then he has no business complaining when they don't let him direct.

Beltran has been working since Voyager.
Currently he's a reaccuring character on HBO's "Big Love".
Jeri Ryan doesn't do Cons because she's got a family & restaurant to run.
She actually works less as an actress due to this which is why many of her roles lately are temporary.
Where've you been, this info has been published in several different types of magazines from Trek to culinary.

Nice try. But since the end of Voyager, Jeri Ryan has done far more acting work than Beltran. A regular role on Boston Public, a regular role on Shark, guest spots on numerous shows and now a regular role on Body of Proof. And you can't use the family excuse since people like Mulgrew and Dawson have family too but still find time to go to conventions.

Showing up to Cons. isn't an indication an actor cares about a fans individual opinions of them. Why should they, you're still willing ro pay to see them regardless.

Actually, it does matter what the fans think of you. Cause if they don't like you, they won't go to your conventions and soon you won't be invited back. Doing the convention circuit involves giving the fans what the want. That was something Jennifer Lien couldn't do. She'd show up and give one-word answers to questions. But Beltran and Wang have apparently discovered that badmouthing the producers and agreeing with the fans pays off.

@ ShatnersToupee I think you should inform yourself befor you are writing your posts.

1. Beltran`s one of the Voy-actors who attends conventions rarely. Most of the others are on conventions more often- Mulgrew, McNeill, Phillips, Picardo, Russ, Wang.
Since 2006, when I met Robert Beltran at Fedcon he has been only at 3 conventions.

2. Beltran hasn`t done many films, but he`s been at Big Love and he was on stage in LA and San Francisco in leading roles.
He also will be on stage at LA Theatre Center this month in the play "Devil’s Advocate" by Donald Freed.

Thanks, but I am informed. How often Beltran attends conventions is irrelevant. What matters are his motives. All of these actors do it for the money, but many like Frakes, Spiner, Picardo, Russ seem to really enjoy being there. But notice how they don't feel the need to trash the show that kept them employed for so long.

 

[exodus]

When you here Beltran's gripe about his role & the show, you'll come to understand his complaints are exactly the same ones many have here in regards to the shows direction.

So what? The issue here isn't whether we agree with his statements. The issue is whether he was appreciative enough of what he had and why, if he was so unhappy, he didn't just quit? The fact that I agree with a lot of what he's said doesn't change the fact that I think he's an ingrate.

Berman & Braga had the ability to sit down with Beltran & his agent to disolve his contract.
So it comes down to one question:
If he was such a problem on the set, why not just let him go and cut cost?

Wrong. It comes down to two questions. Question 1: If he was so unhappy, why did he choose not to renew his contract or ask to be let out of his existing contract? Two, why didn't the producers just let him out of his contract if he was such a problem? My guess as to Question 1 is that the money was too good to walk away from. 3 years of steady income is a luxury for most actors. As for question 2, put yourself in the producers' shoes. He's the first officer. If you let him go, then Tuvok moves up the ranks, but now you need a new security chief. You can promote another character or create a new one, which means going through the audition process. Maybe the producers just decided it would be easier to put up with Beltran's attitude than have to go through the headache of replacing him.



No, you're just ignoring common sense, that's all. Most people who work for a living have enough sense to know that if a job hasn't been very good the first 3 years, it probably won't get any better, unless there's a change in management.



And that's the problem. If you listen to the radio interview Wang did, it's clear he has a pretty inflated opinion of himself. But if he can't see himself the way his bosses do, then he has no business complaining when they don't let him direct.



Nice try. But since the end of Voyager, Jeri Ryan has done far more acting work than Beltran. A regular role on Boston Public, a regular role on Shark, guest spots on numerous shows and now a regular role on Body of Proof. And you can't use the family excuse since people like Mulgrew and Dawson have family too but still find time to go to conventions.

Showing up to Cons. isn't an indication an actor cares about a fans individual opinions of them. Why should they, you're still willing ro pay to see them regardless.

Actually, it does matter what the fans think of you. Cause if they don't like you, they won't go to your conventions and soon you won't be invited back. Doing the convention circuit involves giving the fans what the want. That was something Jennifer Lien couldn't do. She'd show up and give one-word answers to questions. But Beltran and Wang have apparently discovered that badmouthing the producers and agreeing with the fans pays off.

@ ShatnersToupee I think you should inform yourself befor you are writing your posts.

1. Beltran`s one of the Voy-actors who attends conventions rarely. Most of the others are on conventions more often- Mulgrew, McNeill, Phillips, Picardo, Russ, Wang.
Since 2006, when I met Robert Beltran at Fedcon he has been only at 3 conventions.

2. Beltran hasn`t done many films, but he`s been at Big Love and he was on stage in LA and San Francisco in leading roles.
He also will be on stage at LA Theatre Center this month in the play "Devil’s Advocate" by Donald Freed.

Thanks, but I am informed. How often Beltran attends conventions is irrelevant. What matters are his motives. All of these actors do it for the money, but many like Frakes, Spiner, Picardo, Russ seem to really enjoy being there. But notice how they don't feel the need to trash the show that kept them employed for so long.

In other words actual facts don't matter, just your opinion does. Got it!
All of your points have been addressed and/or disproven by actual facts.
Refusing to believe such does not negate actual truth.

This is starting to feel like a Kes thread.
So I'm done wasting my time.
Have a nice day.

 

[Bishop76]

Well, I'd say Beltran has a motive or two for going:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DlZdyH4WfE

 

[exodus]

Well, I'd say Beltran has a motive or two for going:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DlZdyH4WfE

Pimp Master, clockin' himself some digits!!

 

[ShatnersToupee]

In other words actual facts don't matter, just your opinion does. Got it!
All of your points have been addressed and/or disproven by actual facts.
Refusing to believe such does not negate actual truth.

This is starting to feel like a Kes thread.
So I'm done wasting my time.
Have a nice day.

Wrong. You're the one in denial, not me. And just like the Kes thread, you deny facts when they don't suit your argument. Seriously, grow up.

 

[exodus]

In other words actual facts don't matter, just your opinion does. Got it!
All of your points have been addressed and/or disproven by actual facts.
Refusing to believe such does not negate actual truth.

This is starting to feel like a Kes thread.
So I'm done wasting my time.
Have a nice day.

Wrong. You're the one in denial, not me. And just like the Kes thread, you deny facts when they don't suit your argument. Seriously, grow up.

You have yet to prove anything.
So take your own advice and seek to improve your own maturity.